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		<title>By: Neil B</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-7198</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris, I hope you&#039;re enjoying the con...

The Flight anthology made its debut at the 2004 comic con, so we&#039;re really only 3 years in--but, point taken!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, I hope you&#8217;re enjoying the con&#8230;</p>
<p>The Flight anthology made its debut at the 2004 comic con, so we&#8217;re really only 3 years in&#8211;but, point taken!</p>
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		<title>By: Myk</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6997</link>
		<dc:creator>Myk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IÂ´m honestly curious as to what MilliganÂ´s &lt;i&gt;spectacular misfires&lt;/i&gt; were. Since I dont follow the superheroes, the last thing by him I actually read being &lt;i&gt;Human Target&lt;/i&gt;, he kinda vanished off of my radar some time ago. I think Milligan might just be the most underappreciated writers working in comics today. (With Jamie Delano coming in at second place)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IÂ´m honestly curious as to what MilliganÂ´s <i>spectacular misfires</i> were. Since I dont follow the superheroes, the last thing by him I actually read being <i>Human Target</i>, he kinda vanished off of my radar some time ago. I think Milligan might just be the most underappreciated writers working in comics today. (With Jamie Delano coming in at second place)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6904</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I can. I&#039;m tired. Let me try.

1) There&#039;s just something that strikes me as wrong about an award where one guy gets a trade published by Image and another person is publishing a $5 mini-comic.

2) I think learning how to self-publish scratch to funnybook shop has value. I think there&#039;s something to be said for an entire generation of people who aren&#039;t cowed by the process of publication, and this cuts into that.

3) If you&#039;re allowed to buy the distribution services of an established publisher, why not allow the person to hire Sean Phillips to re-draw it?

4) We need more micro- and self-publishers than Image needs another damn trade. Would Hutch Owens been as cool if it had come out from FBI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I can. I&#8217;m tired. Let me try.</p>
<p>1) There&#8217;s just something that strikes me as wrong about an award where one guy gets a trade published by Image and another person is publishing a $5 mini-comic.</p>
<p>2) I think learning how to self-publish scratch to funnybook shop has value. I think there&#8217;s something to be said for an entire generation of people who aren&#8217;t cowed by the process of publication, and this cuts into that.</p>
<p>3) If you&#8217;re allowed to buy the distribution services of an established publisher, why not allow the person to hire Sean Phillips to re-draw it?</p>
<p>4) We need more micro- and self-publishers than Image needs another damn trade. Would Hutch Owens been as cool if it had come out from FBI?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6903</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom- Can you elaborate on your position?</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6902</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we absolutely disagree on the Xeric thing.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6865</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, then we seriously disagree. I see the Xeric as a helping-hand towards recognition and saleability, 100%. If working with an established publisher in either a publishing or distribution role will help you focus on promoting the work, promoting yourself, or even just finding a financial level at which you&#039;re able to create comics, then by all means, use those helping hands into the industry.

There&#039;s a lot of knowledge to be gained from learning how to self-publish, but it&#039;s not knowledge everyone needs to learn, and that money can still be used very effectively in different ways than just paying the print bill.

I wanna see Image and Alternative and a bunch of publishers stop releasing graphic novels with no audience. I&#039;m willing to give Xeric stuff more-or-less a pass at least in that regard (although I did decide to actually engage one in this week&#039;s reviews), but I don&#039;t know who&#039;s supposed to be buying a lot of the graphic novels from mid-tier publishers released to the market these days. I&#039;d love to see more folks test the market for a book without printing a 150-200 page graphic novel by a relative unkown, and minis (or web serialisation, or full-size comics, or lots of different things) seem a lot smarter to me.

There&#039;s also the not-entirely-unconnected problem of graphic novels that exist as film pitches first, &quot;Proof of Concept&quot; instead of, you know, &lt;i&gt;literature&lt;/i&gt;. But I don&#039;t think anyone would ever accuse Alternative of that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, then we seriously disagree. I see the Xeric as a helping-hand towards recognition and saleability, 100%. If working with an established publisher in either a publishing or distribution role will help you focus on promoting the work, promoting yourself, or even just finding a financial level at which you&#8217;re able to create comics, then by all means, use those helping hands into the industry.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of knowledge to be gained from learning how to self-publish, but it&#8217;s not knowledge everyone needs to learn, and that money can still be used very effectively in different ways than just paying the print bill.</p>
<p>I wanna see Image and Alternative and a bunch of publishers stop releasing graphic novels with no audience. I&#8217;m willing to give Xeric stuff more-or-less a pass at least in that regard (although I did decide to actually engage one in this week&#8217;s reviews), but I don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s supposed to be buying a lot of the graphic novels from mid-tier publishers released to the market these days. I&#8217;d love to see more folks test the market for a book without printing a 150-200 page graphic novel by a relative unkown, and minis (or web serialisation, or full-size comics, or lots of different things) seem a lot smarter to me.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the not-entirely-unconnected problem of graphic novels that exist as film pitches first, &#8220;Proof of Concept&#8221; instead of, you know, <i>literature</i>. But I don&#8217;t think anyone would ever accuse Alternative of that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6864</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 01:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant only in terms of those companies being a part of the Xeric process, not any general hate for Image or Alternative&#039;s trades programs. I think these kids should actually all the way self-publish, no help from an established company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant only in terms of those companies being a part of the Xeric process, not any general hate for Image or Alternative&#8217;s trades programs. I think these kids should actually all the way self-publish, no help from an established company.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6863</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom- Yeah, I checked (to the best of my ability) and it was his last self-published issue. I think that&#039;s really interesting, seeing where in the timeline that falls, because apparently that bumped his circulation into the thousands (according to the d&amp;q bio, anyway).

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s as easy as deciding winners based on format, but I would 100% rather have seen that $5000 or whatever going to promoting his webcomic, rather than what we got. I&#039;ve got boxes and boxes of mini-comics, I&#039;m a big fan of the production method and the aesthetic, but I feel like the Xeric grant opens a few doors with Diamond and with retailers that this dude in particular just didn&#039;t walk through with his book. 

As for your minis vs. trade paperback arguments: Fuck yeah. I think it&#039;s mean to pick on either Image or Alternative when they&#039;re only representative of the problem, not the sum total of it, and I&#039;d say at this point both of those companies have successes to counter-balance their failures. But there could be some more considered decisions on both of their parts, for sure...

We should have a bitchy talk about this at some point, it&#039;d make for good blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom- Yeah, I checked (to the best of my ability) and it was his last self-published issue. I think that&#8217;s really interesting, seeing where in the timeline that falls, because apparently that bumped his circulation into the thousands (according to the d&amp;q bio, anyway).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as easy as deciding winners based on format, but I would 100% rather have seen that $5000 or whatever going to promoting his webcomic, rather than what we got. I&#8217;ve got boxes and boxes of mini-comics, I&#8217;m a big fan of the production method and the aesthetic, but I feel like the Xeric grant opens a few doors with Diamond and with retailers that this dude in particular just didn&#8217;t walk through with his book. </p>
<p>As for your minis vs. trade paperback arguments: Fuck yeah. I think it&#8217;s mean to pick on either Image or Alternative when they&#8217;re only representative of the problem, not the sum total of it, and I&#8217;d say at this point both of those companies have successes to counter-balance their failures. But there could be some more considered decisions on both of their parts, for sure&#8230;</p>
<p>We should have a bitchy talk about this at some point, it&#8217;d make for good blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6854</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of me would like to see more $5 mini-comics and fewer $19.95 trade paperbacks with the Image or Alternative Comics logo in the corner, to be honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of me would like to see more $5 mini-comics and fewer $19.95 trade paperbacks with the Image or Alternative Comics logo in the corner, to be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6853</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the last issue of his self-published Optic Nerve, I think, although I&#039;m not one hundred percent sure. It maybe had the peanut butter story in it?

Anyway, I&#039;m not comparing anything, just making the historical point. My understanding is that Xeric folks make the way they want to do their comic part of their proposal, and if that&#039;s true, then I guess everything would be on the table. I don&#039;t think a $5 mini-comic is the best format to choose, but if the Xeric Foundation were to suddenly be more rigorous about things, they would probably have given away about 1/3 the grants they have over the last five year.

I wonder if you could get a Xeric to do a webcomic and spend all the money on web marketing? I really don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the last issue of his self-published Optic Nerve, I think, although I&#8217;m not one hundred percent sure. It maybe had the peanut butter story in it?</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m not comparing anything, just making the historical point. My understanding is that Xeric folks make the way they want to do their comic part of their proposal, and if that&#8217;s true, then I guess everything would be on the table. I don&#8217;t think a $5 mini-comic is the best format to choose, but if the Xeric Foundation were to suddenly be more rigorous about things, they would probably have given away about 1/3 the grants they have over the last five year.</p>
<p>I wonder if you could get a Xeric to do a webcomic and spend all the money on web marketing? I really don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6847</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom- Right off the bat, I feel the market for minis is so substantially different now from 1993 that there&#039;s almost no basis for comparisson, but that said, I&#039;m gonna check out what would have constituted his Xeric-nominated work because I&#039;m curious as hell.

Evan- I really, really don&#039;t come off well in the &quot;I can&#039;t believe you don&#039;t like that artist!&quot; game. Exceptionally poorly. Luckily, Peter (who owns The Beguiling) tends to really enjoy many of the artists-of-note that I&#039;m indifferent about, and that balances it out a little. But yeah, I was reading the stuff excerpted in the journal and it was doing zero for me. It&#039;s that kind of work where I can tell it&#039;s accomplished and even discuss how and why, but personally it leaves me cold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom- Right off the bat, I feel the market for minis is so substantially different now from 1993 that there&#8217;s almost no basis for comparisson, but that said, I&#8217;m gonna check out what would have constituted his Xeric-nominated work because I&#8217;m curious as hell.</p>
<p>Evan- I really, really don&#8217;t come off well in the &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe you don&#8217;t like that artist!&#8221; game. Exceptionally poorly. Luckily, Peter (who owns The Beguiling) tends to really enjoy many of the artists-of-note that I&#8217;m indifferent about, and that balances it out a little. But yeah, I was reading the stuff excerpted in the journal and it was doing zero for me. It&#8217;s that kind of work where I can tell it&#8217;s accomplished and even discuss how and why, but personally it leaves me cold.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Dorkin</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6845</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Dorkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Tom said. Langridge&#039;s work is just so terrific it murders me how indifferent people are about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Tom said. Langridge&#8217;s work is just so terrific it murders me how indifferent people are about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6843</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW: Adrian Tomine&#039;s Xeric-winning comic back in what? 1993? was essentially a mini, albeit a sharply-produced one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW: Adrian Tomine&#8217;s Xeric-winning comic back in what? 1993? was essentially a mini, albeit a sharply-produced one.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6840</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drake- Thanks man.

Matthew- It&#039;s 48 pages I guess, but... I dunno, the whole package doesn&#039;t hold up for me... I don&#039;t think the Xeric Foundation attaches many strings.

Tom- Thick oozing bile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drake- Thanks man.</p>
<p>Matthew- It&#8217;s 48 pages I guess, but&#8230; I dunno, the whole package doesn&#8217;t hold up for me&#8230; I don&#8217;t think the Xeric Foundation attaches many strings.</p>
<p>Tom- Thick oozing bile.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6836</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What fills the hole in your heart where a love for Roger Langridge should live?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What fills the hole in your heart where a love for Roger Langridge should live?</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6827</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$5 for a minicomic? aren&#039;t xeric grants supposed to help comics be put out...cheaply or something (okay,t hey don&#039;t have to be, but yeah)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$5 for a minicomic? aren&#8217;t xeric grants supposed to help comics be put out&#8230;cheaply or something (okay,t hey don&#8217;t have to be, but yeah)</p>
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		<title>By: Drake</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/07/21/this-week-in-comic-books/comment-page-1/#comment-6816</link>
		<dc:creator>Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 01:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As to All Flash, I&#039;ve never met Karl Kerschl so I can say, without bias, his art was, indeed, the best thing about this book. I&#039;ve always thought his stuff was great and, to me, this stuff looked particularly amazing. I really wish he was the regular artist when Flash is ongoing again. (Or any book really...)

I liked Silverfish. I like pretty much anything Lapham does (with the exception of that Batman City of Crime junk). I thought it might&#039;ve been a little light on character development but the fast pace of the story helped me not care.

And yeah, I deal with WWH the same way. Hulk sure does smash.

Hope you&#039;re feeling better soon, buddy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to All Flash, I&#8217;ve never met Karl Kerschl so I can say, without bias, his art was, indeed, the best thing about this book. I&#8217;ve always thought his stuff was great and, to me, this stuff looked particularly amazing. I really wish he was the regular artist when Flash is ongoing again. (Or any book really&#8230;)</p>
<p>I liked Silverfish. I like pretty much anything Lapham does (with the exception of that Batman City of Crime junk). I thought it might&#8217;ve been a little light on character development but the fast pace of the story helped me not care.</p>
<p>And yeah, I deal with WWH the same way. Hulk sure does smash.</p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;re feeling better soon, buddy.</p>
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