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		<title>By: Leusoj</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-110547</link>
		<dc:creator>Leusoj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should give Monster and 20th Century Boys a try. Definitely one of the best mangas out there. :)</description>
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		<title>By: comics212 - never safe for work. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mature Manga: I missed this as I was in Japan</title>
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		<dc:creator>comics212 - never safe for work. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mature Manga: I missed this as I was in Japan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Dirk Deppey at Journalista: [Commentary] Christopher Butcher declares that scanlations are wrong and even the mildest of snark is unacceptable in a Comics Journal blog. Duly chastised, I also learned something else: Recommending Fanfare/Ponent Mon releases earns you fewer criticâ€™s-choice points than, of all things, Taiyo Matsumotoâ€™s flashy but shallow Tekkon Kinkreet. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From Dirk Deppey at Journalista: [Commentary] Christopher Butcher declares that scanlations are wrong and even the mildest of snark is unacceptable in a Comics Journal blog. Duly chastised, I also learned something else: Recommending Fanfare/Ponent Mon releases earns you fewer criticâ€™s-choice points than, of all things, Taiyo Matsumotoâ€™s flashy but shallow Tekkon Kinkreet. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-11351</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones who is blogless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to the airport book thing, take a look at monster. It&#039;s one of my favourite manga. But, honestly? Is there really that much difference between it and Brick Thick Thriller #344 beyond the fact that it is manga? I personally actually view this as a good thing. It highlights the diversity of the medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to the airport book thing, take a look at monster. It&#8217;s one of my favourite manga. But, honestly? Is there really that much difference between it and Brick Thick Thriller #344 beyond the fact that it is manga? I personally actually view this as a good thing. It highlights the diversity of the medium.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the writer of the column that started this exchange. I&#039;ve unfortunately only just come across this post, and I know that probably no one will ever see this comment, but I just thought I&#039;d clarify, even though I agree with pretty much everything that Christopher Butcher has written above.

The selection of available manga in the US may be narrow, but the selection in the UK is even narrower. In my column, I was specifically reviewing Simon &amp; Schuster&#039;s new UK range, which will probably be the first manga titles to have reliable nationwide distribution in the UK. As far as I remember, it comprises a dozen titles at most, all of them aimed at teenagers. That&#039;s a shame, but it&#039;s probably good business sense on the part of Viz and Simon &amp; Schuster.

I&#039;m grateful that my attention has been drawn to this Fanfare/Ponent-Mon stuff, and I&#039;ll try to review some in a future column, but, realistically, very few of my readers are going to make the effort to track it down. That&#039;s why it would be awesome if they could just go into a chain book shop and get something aimed at adults - the fact that they can&#039;t is what I was originally complaining about. (And you&#039;re right, I have no interest in linking to illegal scanlations.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the writer of the column that started this exchange. I&#8217;ve unfortunately only just come across this post, and I know that probably no one will ever see this comment, but I just thought I&#8217;d clarify, even though I agree with pretty much everything that Christopher Butcher has written above.</p>
<p>The selection of available manga in the US may be narrow, but the selection in the UK is even narrower. In my column, I was specifically reviewing Simon &amp; Schuster&#8217;s new UK range, which will probably be the first manga titles to have reliable nationwide distribution in the UK. As far as I remember, it comprises a dozen titles at most, all of them aimed at teenagers. That&#8217;s a shame, but it&#8217;s probably good business sense on the part of Viz and Simon &amp; Schuster.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m grateful that my attention has been drawn to this Fanfare/Ponent-Mon stuff, and I&#8217;ll try to review some in a future column, but, realistically, very few of my readers are going to make the effort to track it down. That&#8217;s why it would be awesome if they could just go into a chain book shop and get something aimed at adults &#8211; the fact that they can&#8217;t is what I was originally complaining about. (And you&#8217;re right, I have no interest in linking to illegal scanlations.)</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sept. 4, 2007: It&#8217;s Celebrate Spanish Royalty Week!</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10858</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sept. 4, 2007: It&#8217;s Celebrate Spanish Royalty Week!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [Commentary] Christopher Butcher declares that scanlations are wrong and even the mildest of snark is unacceptable in a Comics Journal blog. Duly chastised, I also learned something else: Recommending Fanfare/Ponent Mon releases earns you fewer critic&#8217;s-choice points than, of all things, Taiyo Matsumoto&#8217;s flashy but shallow Tekkon Kinkreet. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [Commentary] Christopher Butcher declares that scanlations are wrong and even the mildest of snark is unacceptable in a Comics Journal blog. Duly chastised, I also learned something else: Recommending Fanfare/Ponent Mon releases earns you fewer critic&#8217;s-choice points than, of all things, Taiyo Matsumoto&#8217;s flashy but shallow Tekkon Kinkreet. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sept. 4, 2007: It&#8217;s Celebrate Spanish Royalty Week!</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10857</link>
		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sept. 4, 2007: It&#8217;s Celebrate Spanish Royalty Week!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [Commentary] Christopher Butcher declares that scanlations are wrong and even the mildest of snark is unacceptable in a Comics Journal blog. Duly chastised, I also learned something else: Recommending Fanfare/Ponent Mon releases earns you fewer critic&#8217;s-choice points than, of all things, Taiyo Matsumoto&#8217;s flashy but shallow Tekkon Kinkreet. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [Commentary] Christopher Butcher declares that scanlations are wrong and even the mildest of snark is unacceptable in a Comics Journal blog. Duly chastised, I also learned something else: Recommending Fanfare/Ponent Mon releases earns you fewer critic&#8217;s-choice points than, of all things, Taiyo Matsumoto&#8217;s flashy but shallow Tekkon Kinkreet. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Henderson</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10821</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one&#039;s said that Viz doesn&#039;t look for good stories.  I do enjoy all the manga I get from Viz, but their signature line, for the most part, are filled with manga I&#039;m not interested in.  Same goes for Dark Horse and their seinen lines.  And I do realize that in the past, having an anime didn&#039;t matter.  It&#039;s just that now I&#039;m starting to see it as a trend.  Nana got to be a flagship property because it was SUCH a phenomenon.  It had nothing to do with Paradise Kiss.  But really good stories should at least allow for something that didn&#039;t just originate in Shonen Jump, or have blood, guts or death at it&#039;s core.

I know the situation&#039;s not dire.  We&#039;re just starting (hopefully) to see manga aimed at an older audience come out.  I just don&#039;t want to see it get pegged into a specific genre.  Manga has succeeded so far because it has such a wide variety.  It would be nice to see more of it for older audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one&#8217;s said that Viz doesn&#8217;t look for good stories.  I do enjoy all the manga I get from Viz, but their signature line, for the most part, are filled with manga I&#8217;m not interested in.  Same goes for Dark Horse and their seinen lines.  And I do realize that in the past, having an anime didn&#8217;t matter.  It&#8217;s just that now I&#8217;m starting to see it as a trend.  Nana got to be a flagship property because it was SUCH a phenomenon.  It had nothing to do with Paradise Kiss.  But really good stories should at least allow for something that didn&#8217;t just originate in Shonen Jump, or have blood, guts or death at it&#8217;s core.</p>
<p>I know the situation&#8217;s not dire.  We&#8217;re just starting (hopefully) to see manga aimed at an older audience come out.  I just don&#8217;t want to see it get pegged into a specific genre.  Manga has succeeded so far because it has such a wide variety.  It would be nice to see more of it for older audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis McGee</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10817</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon - I&#039;m quite curious as to why you regard Monster as a &quot;airport book style&quot; manga (outside of the superficial observation that it is a murder-mystery). I think that&#039;s a rather cruel comparison, especially when I (perhaps without evidence, but that&#039;s another debate entirely) regard most airport books as trash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon &#8211; I&#8217;m quite curious as to why you regard Monster as a &#8220;airport book style&#8221; manga (outside of the superficial observation that it is a murder-mystery). I think that&#8217;s a rather cruel comparison, especially when I (perhaps without evidence, but that&#8217;s another debate entirely) regard most airport books as trash.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon- Does common sense never enter into the equation? &quot;Art Comix, Airport Books, Blood &amp; Guts,&quot; they&#039;d all generally be rated-R type movies, or would be considered general fiction and then genre classified from there. Sargent Frog is in a magazine for adults, but what age are the protagonists? Who is the work for? Is it SOUTH PARK, which is ostensibly for adults but has a huge teen (and younger!) audience? Mature is only problematic as a term so far as people would rather argue dictionary definitions than try and understand one another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon- Does common sense never enter into the equation? &#8220;Art Comix, Airport Books, Blood &#038; Guts,&#8221; they&#8217;d all generally be rated-R type movies, or would be considered general fiction and then genre classified from there. Sargent Frog is in a magazine for adults, but what age are the protagonists? Who is the work for? Is it SOUTH PARK, which is ostensibly for adults but has a huge teen (and younger!) audience? Mature is only problematic as a term so far as people would rather argue dictionary definitions than try and understand one another.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones who is blogless</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10801</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones who is blogless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 01:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mature&#039;s an awkward term though. What are we defining as mature manga? Art Comix style stuff? Airport Book style manga like Monster? Blood and guts like Berserk (Heh. Guts)? Childrens stuff that&#039;s been deemed &#039;note worthy&#039;? Sargent Frog is from a magazine for adults, for example. The diversity of the medium makes some of these lables problematic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mature&#8217;s an awkward term though. What are we defining as mature manga? Art Comix style stuff? Airport Book style manga like Monster? Blood and guts like Berserk (Heh. Guts)? Childrens stuff that&#8217;s been deemed &#8216;note worthy&#8217;? Sargent Frog is from a magazine for adults, for example. The diversity of the medium makes some of these lables problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10783</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 20:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori- Do I think TK would be getting a reprint if the movie weren&#039;t coming out? Hells no. But then I&#039;ve been surprised before... Viz are about to re-release UZUMAKI and GYO, two other books from the PULP line with no specific marketability (other than their quality), so anything is possible.

I don&#039;t think &quot;We&#039;re looking for good stories&quot; is necessarily an untruth either. They do choose series which may not have a market because they&#039;re worthwhile books. Anything in the &quot;Editor&#039;s Choice/Viz Signature&quot; line, for example, could be held up as being at the top of its genre; English-reading manga fans would certainly be poorer for its absence. There are a lot of manga on the stands today that feel like someone just said &quot;this would be really good.&quot; Hell, 5 years ago no one thought yaoi or bl would sell...

And as for marketability, no company wants to put out books that fail. It&#039;s depressing (and probably tough to explain to the licensor/original artist as well). Marketing opportunities also take many forms. Saikano had a concurrent anime release, for example. PING PONG was just released on DVD but we&#039;re not getting the Ping Pong manga (yet) (sadly). It&#039;s just the way it goes. Paradise Kiss was considered a commercial failure, but NANA still got licensed (and as a flagship property). I really don&#039;t see the situation as being particularly dire, not when there are so many intelligent, informed fans out there who can make strong cases for  series. I know that manga editors and licensor types read the fan message boards looking to see what people want, what might sell... Not all the time (sometimes it&#039;s more of a top-down thing) but our commentary does help, particularly when it&#039;s made in a smart way...

- Christopher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori- Do I think TK would be getting a reprint if the movie weren&#8217;t coming out? Hells no. But then I&#8217;ve been surprised before&#8230; Viz are about to re-release UZUMAKI and GYO, two other books from the PULP line with no specific marketability (other than their quality), so anything is possible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;We&#8217;re looking for good stories&#8221; is necessarily an untruth either. They do choose series which may not have a market because they&#8217;re worthwhile books. Anything in the &#8220;Editor&#8217;s Choice/Viz Signature&#8221; line, for example, could be held up as being at the top of its genre; English-reading manga fans would certainly be poorer for its absence. There are a lot of manga on the stands today that feel like someone just said &#8220;this would be really good.&#8221; Hell, 5 years ago no one thought yaoi or bl would sell&#8230;</p>
<p>And as for marketability, no company wants to put out books that fail. It&#8217;s depressing (and probably tough to explain to the licensor/original artist as well). Marketing opportunities also take many forms. Saikano had a concurrent anime release, for example. PING PONG was just released on DVD but we&#8217;re not getting the Ping Pong manga (yet) (sadly). It&#8217;s just the way it goes. Paradise Kiss was considered a commercial failure, but NANA still got licensed (and as a flagship property). I really don&#8217;t see the situation as being particularly dire, not when there are so many intelligent, informed fans out there who can make strong cases for  series. I know that manga editors and licensor types read the fan message boards looking to see what people want, what might sell&#8230; Not all the time (sometimes it&#8217;s more of a top-down thing) but our commentary does help, particularly when it&#8217;s made in a smart way&#8230;</p>
<p>- Christopher</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Henderson</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10782</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try asking/telling a company like Viz that you want more mature manga in the marketplace.  You know what their answer will be?  &quot;We don&#039;t look at the genre of the story. We just look for good stories.&quot;  That&#039;s the answer I got from Marc Weidenbaum, the VP and editor-in-chief of magazines at the San Diego Comic Con.  They claim they only want to put out &#039;good stories&#039;, but that still just means titles that will sell and can be marketed.  And right now, marketing seems to mean having an anime to go with a book.  Marketing a book on it&#039;s own merits doesn&#039;t seem to matter to Viz.  The example you give of Tekkon Kinkreet is a perfect example.  Do you think Viz would be re-releasing this book if the movie wasn&#039;t coming out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try asking/telling a company like Viz that you want more mature manga in the marketplace.  You know what their answer will be?  &#8220;We don&#8217;t look at the genre of the story. We just look for good stories.&#8221;  That&#8217;s the answer I got from Marc Weidenbaum, the VP and editor-in-chief of magazines at the San Diego Comic Con.  They claim they only want to put out &#8216;good stories&#8217;, but that still just means titles that will sell and can be marketed.  And right now, marketing seems to mean having an anime to go with a book.  Marketing a book on it&#8217;s own merits doesn&#8217;t seem to matter to Viz.  The example you give of Tekkon Kinkreet is a perfect example.  Do you think Viz would be re-releasing this book if the movie wasn&#8217;t coming out?</p>
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		<title>By: MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Manga for grownups</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10760</link>
		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Manga for grownups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are there any good manga out there for adults? Yes, says Christopher Butcher, but the quality titles aren&#8217;t getting enough attention. He takes Journalista&#8217;s Dirk Deppey to task for linking to scanlations and instead suggests mentioning some actual books by name. And then he suits the action to the word by talking about Tekkonkinkreet, which, by the way, is on my stack. I&#8217;ll throw in a few suggestions of my own: ES: Eternal Sabbath, Afterlife, by Stormcrow Hayes and Rob Steen, and, on Netcomics, cm0 (first chapter is free). More suggestions, anyone? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Are there any good manga out there for adults? Yes, says Christopher Butcher, but the quality titles aren&#8217;t getting enough attention. He takes Journalista&#8217;s Dirk Deppey to task for linking to scanlations and instead suggests mentioning some actual books by name. And then he suits the action to the word by talking about Tekkonkinkreet, which, by the way, is on my stack. I&#8217;ll throw in a few suggestions of my own: ES: Eternal Sabbath, Afterlife, by Stormcrow Hayes and Rob Steen, and, on Netcomics, cm0 (first chapter is free). More suggestions, anyone? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10757</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good manga:  TRANSLUCENT.  It&#039;s from Dark Horse and priced to move (for DH) at $10.  It&#039;s a mature read but without the sex and violence or extreme situations.  The story is quiet and poignant without overly sacchrine.  A bit of LOVE ROMA but more sublime and without the wacky characters.  The story is a slow burn but it will stick around in your head for a long time.  One of the better surprise found this year.  Go check it out.  Actually came upon it at Waldenbook (or was it Barnes and Nobles?... one of those indie-bookstore-destroying suburb joints anyway)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good manga:  TRANSLUCENT.  It&#8217;s from Dark Horse and priced to move (for DH) at $10.  It&#8217;s a mature read but without the sex and violence or extreme situations.  The story is quiet and poignant without overly sacchrine.  A bit of LOVE ROMA but more sublime and without the wacky characters.  The story is a slow burn but it will stick around in your head for a long time.  One of the better surprise found this year.  Go check it out.  Actually came upon it at Waldenbook (or was it Barnes and Nobles?&#8230; one of those indie-bookstore-destroying suburb joints anyway)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh- TEKKON KINKREET is the same size as Nausicaa - Editor&#039;s Choice Edition, yeah. Typical comic trim size f like 7x10. Plus all of the original colour sequences are in full colour here as well. It&#039;s pretty-much perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh- TEKKON KINKREET is the same size as Nausicaa &#8211; Editor&#8217;s Choice Edition, yeah. Typical comic trim size f like 7&#215;10. Plus all of the original colour sequences are in full colour here as well. It&#8217;s pretty-much perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may have answered this in your big write-up on it, but I can&#039;t seem to find the information. Is the new TEKKON KINKREET release oversized, like thier Phoenix books? Or, even better, their Nausicaa &#039;editor&#039;s choice&#039; releases?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may have answered this in your big write-up on it, but I can&#8217;t seem to find the information. Is the new TEKKON KINKREET release oversized, like thier Phoenix books? Or, even better, their Nausicaa &#8216;editor&#8217;s choice&#8217; releases?</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10659</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the warning, Chris. And I very much appreciate your leading the charge in this way. You&#039;re so knowledgeable in this area that it&#039;s a great help to those of us still picking out out path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the warning, Chris. And I very much appreciate your leading the charge in this way. You&#8217;re so knowledgeable in this area that it&#8217;s a great help to those of us still picking out out path.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2007/09/01/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there/comment-page-1/#comment-10611</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and before someone yells this at me: yes I know, VIZ publishes only manga - AND YES, they publish a variety of it to, but all anyone thinks of is- Jump titles and Shojo Beat. :/ It&#039;s the same thing that disappointed me with DQ, a company I work for, that published only manga.  They&#039;re actively avoiding marketing [or licensing] diverse genres, for the sake of...what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and before someone yells this at me: yes I know, VIZ publishes only manga &#8211; AND YES, they publish a variety of it to, but all anyone thinks of is- Jump titles and Shojo Beat. :/ It&#8217;s the same thing that disappointed me with DQ, a company I work for, that published only manga.  They&#8217;re actively avoiding marketing [or licensing] diverse genres, for the sake of&#8230;what?</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive my intrusion, I donâ€™t normally comment here butâ€¦

&lt;i&gt;the undefinable books&lt;/i&gt;

And there&#039;s the rub phrase... 

I got a rejection recently because my book was â€˜undefinableâ€™.  In terms of OEL, and writing in the genre I do, if a publisher can&#039;t market it as &#039;yaoi&#039; or &#039;BL&#039; then it&#039;s not something they will publish. &quot;This is great sci-fi, but there not enough male romance *ahem* [male sex] happening here, and so I can&#039;t see us publishing it.&quot;   I was amazed.  

It&#039;s frustrating to say this, but if there were more &#039;Tokyo Pops&#039; out there, companies publishing only &#039;manga&#039; and nothing else, then we might see less &#039;fast-cash genres&#039; saturating the market, and more chances taken on the &#039;not so easily&#039; defined.  I mean, when DQ said they were going to publish â€˜actionâ€™, I got little excitedâ€”until I saw the first license.  0_o  Clearly itâ€™s actionâ€¦for shojo fans?

What disturbs me most is, Iâ€™ve been the to scanslation sites and read some great material; no theyâ€™ll never get picked up here because most companies licensing these days are picking that one genre they likeâ€”and going with it, disqualifying anything that doesnâ€™t quite fit into their hole.  &quot;Well, we can&#039;t define it as horror, because it&#039;s really a crime manga with some minor horror elements--nah, too hard to try and classify, what else is there that isn&#039;t so hard to classify?&quot;  I&#039;ve seen some companies blame the bookstores for this - &#039;well the bookstore needs to know what audience to target it at&#039; which I find to be pure BS, since bookstores don&#039;t divide the &#039;manga&#039; by genre at all. 0_0.  It sits on the shelf, in alphabetical order.  Am I missing something there?  Do bookstores order so many horrors, comedy, teen-titles, or action books, per quarter, and so that&#039;s why this preference for the &#039;obvious&#039; subject-matter is made in licensing?  I think itâ€™s down to so many publishers devoting â€˜a portionâ€™ of their catalogue to &#039;just manga&#039;, and so there no room variety.  Itâ€™s never going to mainstream until more publishers exist that produce ONLY MANGA. [or OEL GNâ€™s, that look and feel like them. ^_-]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive my intrusion, I donâ€™t normally comment here butâ€¦</p>
<p><i>the undefinable books</i></p>
<p>And there&#8217;s the rub phrase&#8230; </p>
<p>I got a rejection recently because my book was â€˜undefinableâ€™.  In terms of OEL, and writing in the genre I do, if a publisher can&#8217;t market it as &#8216;yaoi&#8217; or &#8216;BL&#8217; then it&#8217;s not something they will publish. &#8220;This is great sci-fi, but there not enough male romance *ahem* [male sex] happening here, and so I can&#8217;t see us publishing it.&#8221;   I was amazed.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s frustrating to say this, but if there were more &#8216;Tokyo Pops&#8217; out there, companies publishing only &#8216;manga&#8217; and nothing else, then we might see less &#8216;fast-cash genres&#8217; saturating the market, and more chances taken on the &#8216;not so easily&#8217; defined.  I mean, when DQ said they were going to publish â€˜actionâ€™, I got little excitedâ€”until I saw the first license.  0_o  Clearly itâ€™s actionâ€¦for shojo fans?</p>
<p>What disturbs me most is, Iâ€™ve been the to scanslation sites and read some great material; no theyâ€™ll never get picked up here because most companies licensing these days are picking that one genre they likeâ€”and going with it, disqualifying anything that doesnâ€™t quite fit into their hole.  &#8220;Well, we can&#8217;t define it as horror, because it&#8217;s really a crime manga with some minor horror elements&#8211;nah, too hard to try and classify, what else is there that isn&#8217;t so hard to classify?&#8221;  I&#8217;ve seen some companies blame the bookstores for this &#8211; &#8216;well the bookstore needs to know what audience to target it at&#8217; which I find to be pure BS, since bookstores don&#8217;t divide the &#8216;manga&#8217; by genre at all. 0_0.  It sits on the shelf, in alphabetical order.  Am I missing something there?  Do bookstores order so many horrors, comedy, teen-titles, or action books, per quarter, and so that&#8217;s why this preference for the &#8216;obvious&#8217; subject-matter is made in licensing?  I think itâ€™s down to so many publishers devoting â€˜a portionâ€™ of their catalogue to &#8216;just manga&#8217;, and so there no room variety.  Itâ€™s never going to mainstream until more publishers exist that produce ONLY MANGA. [or OEL GNâ€™s, that look and feel like them. ^_-]</p>
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