http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/ Never Safe For Work Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:26:12 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69866 Zach Worton Fri, 30 May 2008 16:16:36 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69866 sorry..."totally INTO getting..." sorry…”totally INTO getting…”

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69865 Zach Worton Fri, 30 May 2008 16:15:05 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69865 No one in their right mind would sign that contract! If you're totally getting bent over prison style, then by all means...soap up. A slap in the face to creators. No one in their right mind would sign that contract! If you’re totally getting bent over prison style, then by all means…soap up.
A slap in the face to creators.

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69602 Blog@Newsarama » More on that horrible, horrible, horrible Tokyopop contract Thu, 29 May 2008 12:47:06 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69602 [...] Chris Butcher: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TOKYOPOP?! I WANT TO LIKE YOU BUT YOU’RE MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE. I may no longer want to like you. [...] [...] Chris Butcher: WHAT ARE YOU DOING TOKYOPOP?! I WANT TO LIKE YOU BUT YOU’RE MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE. I may no longer want to like you. [...]

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69521 Hugh Stewart Thu, 29 May 2008 02:15:52 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69521 I would gladly take zero dollars over $750 in order to continue to own my ideas. Saying 'it's for the kids' doesn't excuse a terrible contract. I would gladly take zero dollars over $750 in order to continue to own my ideas. Saying ‘it’s for the kids’ doesn’t excuse a terrible contract.

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69518 Mikhail Koulikov Thu, 29 May 2008 01:46:38 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69518 You know, have you thought about how many kids out there would gladly do this for free, just in order to get a publishing credit on their resume? The whole project is not ever meant to attract established writers/artists, and for new creators, who have no idea where to even start, it's a really good first step. And hey, the $750, compared to the zero they would get for putting a comic up online or in the college paper, is a nice bonus. You know, have you thought about how many kids out there would gladly do this for free, just in order to get a publishing credit on their resume? The whole project is not ever meant to attract established writers/artists, and for new creators, who have no idea where to even start, it’s a really good first step. And hey, the $750, compared to the zero they would get for putting a comic up online or in the college paper, is a nice bonus.

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69482 Reader Wed, 28 May 2008 16:11:33 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69482 this has more on the contracts: http://readingbookwatchingmoviesandmore.blogspot.com/2008/05/tokeyopops-contracts.html this has more on the contracts:
http://readingbookwatchingmoviesandmore.blogspot.com/2008/05/tokeyopops-contracts.html

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69472 Derek Halliday Wed, 28 May 2008 13:24:51 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69472 HA HA HA! I hope Eric Kim read this... that's fucking TERRIBLE. HA HA HA! I hope Eric Kim read this… that’s fucking TERRIBLE.

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69461 Digital Strips: The Webcomics Podcast Wed, 28 May 2008 11:08:33 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69461 [...] Well, Tokyopop introduced their Manga Pilot program this week, and the internet lost no time in opening up a can of whoopass on it. First blood goes to Lea Hernandez, who points to a major problem with the contract: It requires creators to sign away their droit moral, the crazy notion that creators can retain control of their works. Lea has been critical of Tokyopop’s global manga contracts in the past, but Tokyopop really left themselves open to this by not only posting their contract online but also attempting to put it in user-friendly language, while retaining several blatantly user-unfriendly clauses. At his LJ, Bryan Lee O’Malley picks up the cudgels and pretty much finishes this contract off. At Comics Worth Reading, Johanna Draper Carlson wonders if she’ll even bother with Tokyopop books from now on. Also weighing in: Christopher Butcher, Niki Smith (who was considering sending in a story and has reconsidered), Gia Manry, Jen Wang, and Hope Larson. [...] [...] Well, Tokyopop introduced their Manga Pilot program this week, and the internet lost no time in opening up a can of whoopass on it. First blood goes to Lea Hernandez, who points to a major problem with the contract: It requires creators to sign away their droit moral, the crazy notion that creators can retain control of their works. Lea has been critical of Tokyopop’s global manga contracts in the past, but Tokyopop really left themselves open to this by not only posting their contract online but also attempting to put it in user-friendly language, while retaining several blatantly user-unfriendly clauses. At his LJ, Bryan Lee O’Malley picks up the cudgels and pretty much finishes this contract off. At Comics Worth Reading, Johanna Draper Carlson wonders if she’ll even bother with Tokyopop books from now on. Also weighing in: Christopher Butcher, Niki Smith (who was considering sending in a story and has reconsidered), Gia Manry, Jen Wang, and Hope Larson. [...]

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69407 Tokyopop in Trouble: Manga Pilots » Comics Worth Reading Wed, 28 May 2008 01:04:22 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69407 [...] The biggest stumbling block for most people is the moral rights clause, which uses a racist approach to get creators to give up the right to have their own name on their work. [...] [...] The biggest stumbling block for most people is the moral rights clause, which uses a racist approach to get creators to give up the right to have their own name on their work. [...]

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69385 Comics Should Be Good! » Manga Before Flowers — News Flash: Corporations Suck! Tue, 27 May 2008 21:52:54 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69385 [...] Okay, so the fact corporations suck is not surprising…but since I just spent this morning giving both fans and U.S. media corpations a fair shake, as it were, in my column, I’m feeling rather chagrined when I blog-hop this afternoon and find that Lea Hernandez is reporting on the latest (& truly hideous) Tokyopop contract with creators here.  Christopher Butcher weighs in here, and Bryan Lee O’Malley takes a stand here. [...] [...] Okay, so the fact corporations suck is not surprising…but since I just spent this morning giving both fans and U.S. media corpations a fair shake, as it were, in my column, I’m feeling rather chagrined when I blog-hop this afternoon and find that Lea Hernandez is reporting on the latest (& truly hideous) Tokyopop contract with creators here.  Christopher Butcher weighs in here, and Bryan Lee O’Malley takes a stand here. [...]

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69379 a geek by any other name » Blog Archive » Creators Beware: TOKYOPOP’s Manga Pilot ‘Pact’ Tue, 27 May 2008 21:24:54 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69379 [...] Chris Butcher also has some word on the payment front– apparently the PDF originally noted that payment for a manga pilot project was $750, which works out to about $20 a page for a 36-page pilot. On the one hand, that’s not a lot…but on the other hand, I wonder how many of these actually sell much at all? [...] [...] Chris Butcher also has some word on the payment front– apparently the PDF originally noted that payment for a manga pilot project was $750, which works out to about $20 a page for a 36-page pilot. On the one hand, that’s not a lot…but on the other hand, I wonder how many of these actually sell much at all? [...]

]]> http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-69371 Put down that pen! « Precocious Curmudgeon Tue, 27 May 2008 20:29:57 +0000 http://comics212.net/2008/05/27/apalling-tokyopops-new-contract/#comment-69371 [...] Put down that pen! Filed under: Uncategorized — davidpwelsh @ 3:29 pm I’m sputtering with indignant disbelief at the moment, so I’ll leave it to Lea Hernandez, Hope Larson, and Christopher Butcher to discuss Tokyopop’s Manga Pilots Pact. [...] [...] Put down that pen! Filed under: Uncategorized — davidpwelsh @ 3:29 pm I’m sputtering with indignant disbelief at the moment, so I’ll leave it to Lea Hernandez, Hope Larson, and Christopher Butcher to discuss Tokyopop’s Manga Pilots Pact. [...]

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