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		<title>By: To Spite One&#8217;s Face &#124; Savage Critics</title>
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		<dc:creator>To Spite One&#8217;s Face &#124; Savage Critics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I don&#8217;t really have time to do this (I should be working on the BookScan stuff&#8230; next column is due in like a week, ugh!), but Lester bugged me about it, and I am also spurred by Chris Butcher&#8217;s excellent post on the subject. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Haven Distributors picks up Bane of the Werewolf &#124; Bane of the Werewolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haven Distributors picks up Bane of the Werewolf &#124; Bane of the Werewolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Diamond&#8217;s cut back has effected independent publishers across the board. For more info click here The new benchmark was a necessary business decision for Diamond&#8217;s profitability. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources - Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment &#187; Food or Comics &#124; A roundup of money-related news</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources - Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment &#187; Food or Comics &#124; A roundup of money-related news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 05:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Retailer Christopher Butcher elaborates on his earlier comments about Diamond&#8217;s new threshold for publishers: &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leland Purvis</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/04/the-diamond-post/comment-page-1/#comment-110660</link>
		<dc:creator>Leland Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I really think you&#039;re right about a lot of this and it mirrors some of my own thinking.

I think this essentially kills floppy comics for indies. And I think that it increases the likelihood of low-risk, homogenous stuff being shipped to the shops.

The thing that outrages me isn&#039;t that a lot of comics which weren&#039;t making money will have to cancel, it&#039;s that some of the best stuff we&#039;ve seen come out in the last ten years from the self-publishing camp would never have been made under these minimums. A book needs a time to gain an audience. Some great stuff isn&#039;t going to get the chance now.

I do think self-publishers and committed writer-artists will find new ways to get their material to readers, it&#039;s just a shame that the DM is dead for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I really think you&#8217;re right about a lot of this and it mirrors some of my own thinking.</p>
<p>I think this essentially kills floppy comics for indies. And I think that it increases the likelihood of low-risk, homogenous stuff being shipped to the shops.</p>
<p>The thing that outrages me isn&#8217;t that a lot of comics which weren&#8217;t making money will have to cancel, it&#8217;s that some of the best stuff we&#8217;ve seen come out in the last ten years from the self-publishing camp would never have been made under these minimums. A book needs a time to gain an audience. Some great stuff isn&#8217;t going to get the chance now.</p>
<p>I do think self-publishers and committed writer-artists will find new ways to get their material to readers, it&#8217;s just a shame that the DM is dead for them.</p>
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		<title>By: ted whitby</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted whitby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a theory. 
So far I have not seen an explanation for Diamond&#039;s moves that makes sense unless they are in trouble, or just thinking very short term (which is not at all unusual for American businesses). Two other thoughts are, 1) they, like many businesses, are taking significant steps to improve their efficiency by cutting costs in anticipation of a terrible year or longer, and 2) it is more expensive to handle items in small quantities (since each item to be tracked individually no matter how small the quantities). So maybe this is all this is about. But it really is sacrificing the future for short term gains/defense.
But here&#039;s my thought...
Correct me if I have my facts wrong. But it strikes me this is may be an attempt to force the hand of many small publishers to make Diamond their  distributor to bookstores. That&#039;s clearly the future, and is already where most of the manga sales are, no? The industry is moving to books from pamphlet periodicals, which opens up the outlets exponentially. Diamond sees the trend and is trying to use its leverage (while it still has some) to consolidate distribution.
Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a theory.<br />
So far I have not seen an explanation for Diamond&#8217;s moves that makes sense unless they are in trouble, or just thinking very short term (which is not at all unusual for American businesses). Two other thoughts are, 1) they, like many businesses, are taking significant steps to improve their efficiency by cutting costs in anticipation of a terrible year or longer, and 2) it is more expensive to handle items in small quantities (since each item to be tracked individually no matter how small the quantities). So maybe this is all this is about. But it really is sacrificing the future for short term gains/defense.<br />
But here&#8217;s my thought&#8230;<br />
Correct me if I have my facts wrong. But it strikes me this is may be an attempt to force the hand of many small publishers to make Diamond their  distributor to bookstores. That&#8217;s clearly the future, and is already where most of the manga sales are, no? The industry is moving to books from pamphlet periodicals, which opens up the outlets exponentially. Diamond sees the trend and is trying to use its leverage (while it still has some) to consolidate distribution.<br />
Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: One thought on the death of the alternative comic book &#171; Picture Poetry</title>
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		<dc:creator>One thought on the death of the alternative comic book &#171; Picture Poetry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] minimums. Tom Spurgeon has a characteristically meditative but surprisingly assertive piece while Chris Butcher spells out the reasoning behind his even more alarmed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Macbeth Uk</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/04/the-diamond-post/comment-page-1/#comment-110592</link>
		<dc:creator>Macbeth Uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting comments, being based in UK, we&#039;ve an even harder time of raising profile in US and Canada which is even more necessary with Diamond&#039;s benchmarks - our previous ZOMBIES and ROBOTS anthologies did make the cut but we&#039;re planning to send advance copies to identified indie-friendly stores with this year&#039;s WESTERN book to ensure we keep up the average. 

This just increases our up front costs but we&#039;ve got to try something and are doing our best to promote new European talent ahead of 2 planned one shots this year which without the anthologies profile wouldn&#039;t have been possible.

Fingers crossed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting comments, being based in UK, we&#8217;ve an even harder time of raising profile in US and Canada which is even more necessary with Diamond&#8217;s benchmarks &#8211; our previous ZOMBIES and ROBOTS anthologies did make the cut but we&#8217;re planning to send advance copies to identified indie-friendly stores with this year&#8217;s WESTERN book to ensure we keep up the average. </p>
<p>This just increases our up front costs but we&#8217;ve got to try something and are doing our best to promote new European talent ahead of 2 planned one shots this year which without the anthologies profile wouldn&#8217;t have been possible.</p>
<p>Fingers crossed</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 5, 2009: Next gasp?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 5, 2009: Next gasp?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Diamond didn&#8217;t &#8217;seize&#8217; anything. It offered the exclusivity agreements and the publishers took them &#8212; because this is a dying market. Period. And Diamond is now down to amputating limbs.&#8221; - Franklin Harris [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Thibault</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Thibault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are tricky times.

Our first release last year, Danijel Zezelj&#039;s Rex, sold enough copies with it&#039;s initial order that it would have met Diamond&#039;s new benchmark. 

When we solicited a second book by Zezelj, the orders came in lower. The book met the old standard of $3750 (in retail sales) but far below the new benchmark and we ended up cancelling it even before Diamond made their recent changes.

We publishers are going to have to get a lot more creative in how we market our graphic novels. If there was ever a time to strengthen our relationships with indie-loving retailers it&#039;s now.

Chris I wish the North American comics industry had 500 more shops like yours. I guess that&#039;s what makes The Beguiling unique and why I make sure to visit your store whenever I&#039;m in Toronto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are tricky times.</p>
<p>Our first release last year, Danijel Zezelj&#8217;s Rex, sold enough copies with it&#8217;s initial order that it would have met Diamond&#8217;s new benchmark. </p>
<p>When we solicited a second book by Zezelj, the orders came in lower. The book met the old standard of $3750 (in retail sales) but far below the new benchmark and we ended up cancelling it even before Diamond made their recent changes.</p>
<p>We publishers are going to have to get a lot more creative in how we market our graphic novels. If there was ever a time to strengthen our relationships with indie-loving retailers it&#8217;s now.</p>
<p>Chris I wish the North American comics industry had 500 more shops like yours. I guess that&#8217;s what makes The Beguiling unique and why I make sure to visit your store whenever I&#8217;m in Toronto.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Bieser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Bieser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Others have already suggested this could be a golden opportunity for Haven, to set itself up as The alternative distributor for alternative comics and publishers.

And why not? Of the roughly 3,000 comics retailers, only about 300 have been receptive to alt-comics anyway. Surely Haven could service 300 shops effectively, and by focusing on this sub-market, working with progressive retailers such as yourself, start growing that sub-market carefully and intelligently? Diamond isn&#039;t in a position to do that even if they wanted to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Others have already suggested this could be a golden opportunity for Haven, to set itself up as The alternative distributor for alternative comics and publishers.</p>
<p>And why not? Of the roughly 3,000 comics retailers, only about 300 have been receptive to alt-comics anyway. Surely Haven could service 300 shops effectively, and by focusing on this sub-market, working with progressive retailers such as yourself, start growing that sub-market carefully and intelligently? Diamond isn&#8217;t in a position to do that even if they wanted to.</p>
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		<title>By: The Beguiling&#8217;s Chris Butcher discusses the new Diamond thresholds &#171; THE JOE SHUSTER CANADIAN COMIC BOOK CREATOR AWARDS</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Beguiling&#8217;s Chris Butcher discusses the new Diamond thresholds &#171; THE JOE SHUSTER CANADIAN COMIC BOOK CREATOR AWARDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Beguiling&#8217;s Chris Butcher discusses the new Diamond&#160;thresholds  Beguiling manager Chris Butcher presents his thoughts on the Diamond threshold changes on his blog. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Franklin Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franklin Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul is exactly right, but I&#039;d put it less speculatively. Not only are Diamond&#039;s actions the result of a weak market, rather than vice versa, Diamond&#039;s monopoly is the result of the direct market&#039;s decline following the 1990s bubble. When you get a monopoly like Diamond, it&#039;s almost always because that company just happens to be the last company standing in a market that is dying.

And it&#039;s no good to say, &quot;Diamond seized power in a time of uncertainty, eliminating all other national and local specialty distributors of comics and graphic novels by signing prohibitive exclusivity agreements ....&quot;

Diamond didn&#039;t &quot;seize&quot; anything. It offered the exclusivity agreements and the publishers took them -- because this is a dying market. Period. And Diamond is now down to amputating limbs.

The direct market was a life raft after the newsstand market sank, and it&#039;s amazing it has held up this long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul is exactly right, but I&#8217;d put it less speculatively. Not only are Diamond&#8217;s actions the result of a weak market, rather than vice versa, Diamond&#8217;s monopoly is the result of the direct market&#8217;s decline following the 1990s bubble. When you get a monopoly like Diamond, it&#8217;s almost always because that company just happens to be the last company standing in a market that is dying.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s no good to say, &#8220;Diamond seized power in a time of uncertainty, eliminating all other national and local specialty distributors of comics and graphic novels by signing prohibitive exclusivity agreements &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Diamond didn&#8217;t &#8220;seize&#8221; anything. It offered the exclusivity agreements and the publishers took them &#8212; because this is a dying market. Period. And Diamond is now down to amputating limbs.</p>
<p>The direct market was a life raft after the newsstand market sank, and it&#8217;s amazing it has held up this long.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul O'Brien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul O'Brien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s particularly helpful to think in terms of Diamond having a &quot;duty&quot; or &quot;responsibility&quot; to help the direct market.  As you say, Diamond ARE the direct market.  What is bad for the direct market is, ultimately, bad for Diamond.  They are a big fish in a small pond; it is not in their interests to let the pond dry up.  And when you&#039;re dealing with businesses, enlightened self-interest is a more powerful motivator than a sense of duty.  On that broad level, of whether products go through the direct market at all, their interests surely align with yours.

Is the market failing because of Diamond&#039;s actions, or is Diamond acting like this because the market has already started to fail?  Are massive price rises and a drastic cutback in the product line signs that the market is already collapsing of its own accord, and that Diamond can&#039;t think of anything to reverse it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s particularly helpful to think in terms of Diamond having a &#8220;duty&#8221; or &#8220;responsibility&#8221; to help the direct market.  As you say, Diamond ARE the direct market.  What is bad for the direct market is, ultimately, bad for Diamond.  They are a big fish in a small pond; it is not in their interests to let the pond dry up.  And when you&#8217;re dealing with businesses, enlightened self-interest is a more powerful motivator than a sense of duty.  On that broad level, of whether products go through the direct market at all, their interests surely align with yours.</p>
<p>Is the market failing because of Diamond&#8217;s actions, or is Diamond acting like this because the market has already started to fail?  Are massive price rises and a drastic cutback in the product line signs that the market is already collapsing of its own accord, and that Diamond can&#8217;t think of anything to reverse it?</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 4, 2009: Minimum quality threshold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 4, 2009: Minimum quality threshold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a long and passionately argued essay, retailer Christopher Butcher states that the recent moves by Diamond Distributors to restrict access to its listings signals the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Ottaviani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Ottaviani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Christopher:

With regards to FCBD, my understanding was that the decision to carry books was not solely, or even primarily, Diamond&#039;s. Specifically, the quote

&quot;[A]ll three titles were rejected by Diamond on the advisement of their FCBD committee. The reason given was &#039;no core title being currently published, or the current books sales not warranting the FCBD promotional support.&#039;&quot;

indicates unwillingness of retailers to support non-top 300 titles as well. Unfortunately, I believe Diamond&#039;s customer base (Diamond doesn&#039;t sell to readers, after all) could make a difference but taken as a whole*, those retailers have voted -- with their money -- for less diversity of content than stores like The Beguiling offer. And they have done so in good times and bad.

Jim

*It&#039;s important to emphasize the &quot;taken as a whole&quot; aspect. Meaning, the people who are likely to read this are probably already running or shopping at stores that offer a range of titles well beyond the front list of the front of Diamond&#039;s monthly catalog. They&#039;re important to me as a publisher and a reader, and I&#039;m lucky to have a couple within walking distance of my home and work. Really lucky. But when we look at the Direct Market in its entirety, which is what I as a publisher and Diamond as a distributor sometimes have to do, those stores are thin on the ground, and they always have been. Diamond&#039;s latest decision will make it harder for such stores to appear or evolve. No question about that. But they weren&#039;t appearing or evolving rapidly years, or decades, ago either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Christopher:</p>
<p>With regards to FCBD, my understanding was that the decision to carry books was not solely, or even primarily, Diamond&#8217;s. Specifically, the quote</p>
<p>&#8220;[A]ll three titles were rejected by Diamond on the advisement of their FCBD committee. The reason given was &#8216;no core title being currently published, or the current books sales not warranting the FCBD promotional support.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>indicates unwillingness of retailers to support non-top 300 titles as well. Unfortunately, I believe Diamond&#8217;s customer base (Diamond doesn&#8217;t sell to readers, after all) could make a difference but taken as a whole*, those retailers have voted &#8212; with their money &#8212; for less diversity of content than stores like The Beguiling offer. And they have done so in good times and bad.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
<p>*It&#8217;s important to emphasize the &#8220;taken as a whole&#8221; aspect. Meaning, the people who are likely to read this are probably already running or shopping at stores that offer a range of titles well beyond the front list of the front of Diamond&#8217;s monthly catalog. They&#8217;re important to me as a publisher and a reader, and I&#8217;m lucky to have a couple within walking distance of my home and work. Really lucky. But when we look at the Direct Market in its entirety, which is what I as a publisher and Diamond as a distributor sometimes have to do, those stores are thin on the ground, and they always have been. Diamond&#8217;s latest decision will make it harder for such stores to appear or evolve. No question about that. But they weren&#8217;t appearing or evolving rapidly years, or decades, ago either.</p>
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		<title>By: there it is, plain as daylight. &#187; Comics in Memphis and Other Things</title>
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		<dc:creator>there it is, plain as daylight. &#187; Comics in Memphis and Other Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Butcher has a great post about Diamond&#8217;s new order minimums, and why he thinks it will kill the direct market. I admit [...]</description>
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