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		<title>By: With all respect to Chris Butcher&#8230; &#124; Savage Critics</title>
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		<dc:creator>With all respect to Chris Butcher&#8230; &#124; Savage Critics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] so Chris Butcher has written a widely linked panic attack about Diamond &quot;de-listing&quot; over 1000 Viz backlist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sean&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Much Viz Backlist No Longer Available Through Diamond</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110699</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Much Viz Backlist No Longer Available Through Diamond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher Butcher brought news that over 1000 Viz manga volumes would no longer be able to be backordered through Diamond. Diamond was selling them off, at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Much Viz Backlist No Longer Available Through Diamond &#187; Comics Worth Reading</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110697</link>
		<dc:creator>Much Viz Backlist No Longer Available Through Diamond &#187; Comics Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher Butcher brought news that over 1000 Viz manga volumes would no longer be able to be backordered through Diamond. Diamond was selling them off, at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources - Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment &#187; Food or Comics &#124; A roundup of money-related news</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110694</link>
		<dc:creator>Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources - Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment &#187; Food or Comics &#124; A roundup of money-related news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Retailer Christopher Butcher reports that Diamond Comic Distributors is dropping from its backlist nearly 1,000 manga published by Viz [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Diamond poistaa 1000 Vizin mangaa listoiltaan - Anime-lehti</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110681</link>
		<dc:creator>Diamond poistaa 1000 Vizin mangaa listoiltaan - Anime-lehti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comics212 kertoi perjantaina Pohjois-Amerikan suurimman sarjakuvalevittäjän Diamond Comics Distributorsin olevan jättämässä 1018 eri Viz Median julkaisun tilaukset uusimatta sen nykyisten varastojen tyhjennyttyä. Näistä lähes tuhat on mangapokkareita, loput mm. DVD-julkaisuja, romaaneja, taidekirjoja ja cinemangaa. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Comics212 kertoi perjantaina Pohjois-Amerikan suurimman sarjakuvalevittäjän Diamond Comics Distributorsin olevan jättämässä 1018 eri Viz Median julkaisun tilaukset uusimatta sen nykyisten varastojen tyhjennyttyä. Näistä lähes tuhat on mangapokkareita, loput mm. DVD-julkaisuja, romaaneja, taidekirjoja ja cinemangaa. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: VizBig dreamin&#8217; &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110677</link>
		<dc:creator>VizBig dreamin&#8217; &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Filed under: Comics in libraries, Viz &#8212; Katherine Dacey @ 7:41 pm   Looking over the Viz titles that Diamond plans to de-list, I see several series that really deserve the VizBig treatement&#8211;if not for the casual [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Filed under: Comics in libraries, Viz &#8212; Katherine Dacey @ 7:41 pm   Looking over the Viz titles that Diamond plans to de-list, I see several series that really deserve the VizBig treatement&#8211;if not for the casual [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick interview: Viz on delisted titles</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110671</link>
		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick interview: Viz on delisted titles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 01:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of questions have popped up about Diamond&#8217;s decision to stop carrying over 1,000 Viz items, mostly manga. I pitched a few at Viz spokeswoman Evelyn Dubocq and got some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Unilateralism &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110669</link>
		<dc:creator>Unilateralism &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] column I expressed the opinion that it seemed unlikely that Diamond could make the decision to de-list a thousand Viz books without some participation of the publisher. Based on what a Viz source told me, it seems [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hard times</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110662</link>
		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hard times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comics212, Christopher Butcher has posted a list of over 1,000 items, all from Viz, that Diamond will no longer be carrying. I have asked the Viz [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Diamond Comics Distributors Delisting Viz Products &#171; Anime, Manga &#38; Figures Blog</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110661</link>
		<dc:creator>Diamond Comics Distributors Delisting Viz Products &#171; Anime, Manga &#38; Figures Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogger at Comics212 notes that Diamond Comics Distributors has delisted over 1000 Viz titles, mostly manga.  This [...]</description>
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		<title>By: I guess it&#8217;s not forever &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110657</link>
		<dc:creator>I guess it&#8217;s not forever &#171; Precocious Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comic shops &#8212; davidpwelsh @ 4:29 pm   Reading comics retailer Brian Hibbs’ reaction to comics retailer Chris Butcher’s reaction to Diamond’s de-listing of a lot of Viz’s back catalog has me thinking about monopolies, or at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Comic shops &#8212; davidpwelsh @ 4:29 pm   Reading comics retailer Brian Hibbs’ reaction to comics retailer Chris Butcher’s reaction to Diamond’s de-listing of a lot of Viz’s back catalog has me thinking about monopolies, or at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Mayerson</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110653</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Mayerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it occur to anybody that Diamond might be in financial trouble?  I have no inside information, but their recent moves certainly look like a company desperate to cut loose the less profitable aspects of their business in order to reduce their costs.  It&#039;s not necessarily a good long term strategy, but if the choice they&#039;re facing is to become more focused on the profitable stuff or go out of business, it&#039;s not surprising which approach they&#039;re taking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it occur to anybody that Diamond might be in financial trouble?  I have no inside information, but their recent moves certainly look like a company desperate to cut loose the less profitable aspects of their business in order to reduce their costs.  It&#8217;s not necessarily a good long term strategy, but if the choice they&#8217;re facing is to become more focused on the profitable stuff or go out of business, it&#8217;s not surprising which approach they&#8217;re taking.</p>
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		<title>By: RWB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>urrg. &quot;Not have.&quot; Must edit before posting. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>urrg. &#8220;Not have.&#8221; Must edit before posting. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: RWB</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110651</link>
		<dc:creator>RWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Had other options,&quot; not &quot;had.&quot; As I said, I don&#039;t know the current state of things vis-a-vis access to backlist from non-Diamond wholesalers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Had other options,&#8221; not &#8220;had.&#8221; As I said, I don&#8217;t know the current state of things vis-a-vis access to backlist from non-Diamond wholesalers.</p>
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		<title>By: RWB</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110650</link>
		<dc:creator>RWB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because Diamond pays for its inventory outright, there is considerable opportunity cost to Diamond for carrying &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; backlist. Now if they can reasonably predict that a certain backlist item will have roughly $X in sales over the course of a year, then they can calculate whether it make sense to carry that item in backlist. However, for the thousands (if not 10s of thousands) of potential backlist items, this calculation is really hard.

Therefore, what Diamond is doing seems reasonable to me. It seems patently unreasonable, in this time of economic uncertainty, to expect Diamond to assume extra risk. If this means Diamond redefines its business as &quot;frontlist only&quot;, so be it.

Don&#039;t stores have access to wholesalers like Ingram and Baker &amp; Taylor that do carry backlist--and that limit their risk by carrying it on consignment? I&#039;ve been out of the business for a long time, but when I was in the business, store-owners who needed to restock backlist titles have other options than Diamond. 

In short, I am in complete agreement with Matt High.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Diamond pays for its inventory outright, there is considerable opportunity cost to Diamond for carrying <i>any</i> backlist. Now if they can reasonably predict that a certain backlist item will have roughly $X in sales over the course of a year, then they can calculate whether it make sense to carry that item in backlist. However, for the thousands (if not 10s of thousands) of potential backlist items, this calculation is really hard.</p>
<p>Therefore, what Diamond is doing seems reasonable to me. It seems patently unreasonable, in this time of economic uncertainty, to expect Diamond to assume extra risk. If this means Diamond redefines its business as &#8220;frontlist only&#8221;, so be it.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t stores have access to wholesalers like Ingram and Baker &amp; Taylor that do carry backlist&#8211;and that limit their risk by carrying it on consignment? I&#8217;ve been out of the business for a long time, but when I was in the business, store-owners who needed to restock backlist titles have other options than Diamond. </p>
<p>In short, I am in complete agreement with Matt High.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 16, 2009: Good and hard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 16, 2009: Good and hard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher Butcher notes that Diamond Comic Distributors is de-listing over 1000 Viz manga titles, rendering them ineligible for reorder. Wasn&#8217;t Viz signed to a DM-exclusivity deal with Diamond? Isn&#8217;t this one of the things that said deal is supposed to prevent? What the fuck? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Christopher Butcher notes that Diamond Comic Distributors is de-listing over 1000 Viz manga titles, rendering them ineligible for reorder. Wasn&#8217;t Viz signed to a DM-exclusivity deal with Diamond? Isn&#8217;t this one of the things that said deal is supposed to prevent? What the fuck? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110646</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person who just recently got into manga and has been trying to obtain early volumes of several different series, I have found that many of them, even those still publishing, are indeed out-of-print.  I guess it&#039;s not all that common for people to go back and get backlisted books.  It&#039;s therefore already not unusual to find some old volumes available only for lots of money.  Also, of those listed above, I have already been told by some sources I have ordered from that they can&#039;t get some of these books.  So far I have been able to find them new (for closer to full price) but discounts are harder to come by, in my experience.  
One of the most misleading statements made by retailers is that they are waiting for more to come in, or that they are temporarily out of stock.  Many times that mean they will never have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who just recently got into manga and has been trying to obtain early volumes of several different series, I have found that many of them, even those still publishing, are indeed out-of-print.  I guess it&#8217;s not all that common for people to go back and get backlisted books.  It&#8217;s therefore already not unusual to find some old volumes available only for lots of money.  Also, of those listed above, I have already been told by some sources I have ordered from that they can&#8217;t get some of these books.  So far I have been able to find them new (for closer to full price) but discounts are harder to come by, in my experience.<br />
One of the most misleading statements made by retailers is that they are waiting for more to come in, or that they are temporarily out of stock.  Many times that mean they will never have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 22:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Rice: Every volume of Phoenix on that list. It&#039;s just that volume 1 comes after 12. Plus you can read those in any order (the first I read was volume 3).

Josiah, I think you&#039;re probably right about the vizbigs. I know when I worked in a comic store we didn&#039;t stock the individual volumes of series that had omnibuses (Battle Royale being the one I remember), as we just didn&#039;t have enough shelf space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Rice: Every volume of Phoenix on that list. It&#8217;s just that volume 1 comes after 12. Plus you can read those in any order (the first I read was volume 3).</p>
<p>Josiah, I think you&#8217;re probably right about the vizbigs. I know when I worked in a comic store we didn&#8217;t stock the individual volumes of series that had omnibuses (Battle Royale being the one I remember), as we just didn&#8217;t have enough shelf space.</p>
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		<title>By: Josiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you could be onto something there, Chris.

Viz might even be allowing some of the above titles to lapse in favor of new, (potentially) more marketable formats.

Case in point: the two Vizbig (3-in-1) editions of Vagabond aren&#039;t in the list above, so maybe Diamond (and/or Viz) feels like the 600-pg. omnibus could be a more viable format. 

Now granted, I&#039;m not a comic shop, so maybe Diamond doesn&#039;t even touch the Vizbigs to begin with, but...just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you could be onto something there, Chris.</p>
<p>Viz might even be allowing some of the above titles to lapse in favor of new, (potentially) more marketable formats.</p>
<p>Case in point: the two Vizbig (3-in-1) editions of Vagabond aren&#8217;t in the list above, so maybe Diamond (and/or Viz) feels like the 600-pg. omnibus could be a more viable format. </p>
<p>Now granted, I&#8217;m not a comic shop, so maybe Diamond doesn&#8217;t even touch the Vizbigs to begin with, but&#8230;just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve gotta go with Matt on this one, based on my experience working in a shop with very healthy Manga sales. With maybe one or two exceptions, none of these books sold at all for us, despite having all of them in depth for quite a while.
Yes, they probably sell okay in selected markets, but as Chris said, they are available through other distributors. Where they don&#039;t sell well is through the direct market, so it&#039;s perfectly sensible to delist them through Diamond.
Just as a side, I have the feeling some of these series have individual volumes out of print at the moment, as indicated by their absence from the list (Vagabond, Ultimate Muscle, Silent Mobius, Phoenix, Knights of the Zodiac &amp; Basara are all missing early volumes), which might also indicate why some of these series have been delisted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve gotta go with Matt on this one, based on my experience working in a shop with very healthy Manga sales. With maybe one or two exceptions, none of these books sold at all for us, despite having all of them in depth for quite a while.<br />
Yes, they probably sell okay in selected markets, but as Chris said, they are available through other distributors. Where they don&#8217;t sell well is through the direct market, so it&#8217;s perfectly sensible to delist them through Diamond.<br />
Just as a side, I have the feeling some of these series have individual volumes out of print at the moment, as indicated by their absence from the list (Vagabond, Ultimate Muscle, Silent Mobius, Phoenix, Knights of the Zodiac &amp; Basara are all missing early volumes), which might also indicate why some of these series have been delisted.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel B.</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110642</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 06:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies and gentlemen, we are about to see the greatest rise of inflation in anime/manga prices that many of us will have experienced in our entire lives. So... sit back, garb some popcorn, pull out your frosty carbonated beverage of choice, and get ready to watch some of the GREATEST nerd-on-nerd, otaku-on-otaku brawling over merchandise since the rise of G/S/C!!! LLLLLLLET&#039;S GET READY TO RUMBLE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and gentlemen, we are about to see the greatest rise of inflation in anime/manga prices that many of us will have experienced in our entire lives. So&#8230; sit back, garb some popcorn, pull out your frosty carbonated beverage of choice, and get ready to watch some of the GREATEST nerd-on-nerd, otaku-on-otaku brawling over merchandise since the rise of G/S/C!!! LLLLLLLET&#8217;S GET READY TO RUMBLE!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Harrison</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110640</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 02:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were a store, I&#039;d grab up as many copies of Golgo 13 and Phoenix as my open-to-buy would allow, because those are going to end up in high demand.

but my god, WTF, the Viz Spinner and rack are on the list as well?! It&#039;s PROMOTIONAL PLACEMENT guys, stores using those racks are likely to ORDER BOOKS TO FILL THEM.

Now of course, due to the tough times Viz might choose to discontinue that themselves and it just got grouped in, but either way, yikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were a store, I&#8217;d grab up as many copies of Golgo 13 and Phoenix as my open-to-buy would allow, because those are going to end up in high demand.</p>
<p>but my god, WTF, the Viz Spinner and rack are on the list as well?! It&#8217;s PROMOTIONAL PLACEMENT guys, stores using those racks are likely to ORDER BOOKS TO FILL THEM.</p>
<p>Now of course, due to the tough times Viz might choose to discontinue that themselves and it just got grouped in, but either way, yikes.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110638</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a sign of the times. All paper media is going though changes. The transition to digital media is still in its infancy. The owners of the intellectual property and the distribution channels are in a painful state of flux. The key is to be able to maintain intellectual property rights, make a reasonable profit and keep make consumers feel they are getting what they pay for. This is just one example of the new digital reality facing all print media and distributors. 

I personally love to hold a book in my hand read it. But I&#039;m getting older and my eyes are starting to go. So I&#039;m interested in electronic versions of novels and manga too. The ability to zoom in and out on a page is great.

However I&#039;d still like to be able to get print copies of stuff like art books and of course posters to hang on the wall. Electronic picture frames are still to small and pricey to take the place of coffee table book and wall hangings.  But maybe someday!  Hmmmm, maybe it&#039;s doesn&#039;t make ecological sense though. Lithography may still be the most efficient way to distribute visual joy!

Pb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a sign of the times. All paper media is going though changes. The transition to digital media is still in its infancy. The owners of the intellectual property and the distribution channels are in a painful state of flux. The key is to be able to maintain intellectual property rights, make a reasonable profit and keep make consumers feel they are getting what they pay for. This is just one example of the new digital reality facing all print media and distributors. </p>
<p>I personally love to hold a book in my hand read it. But I&#8217;m getting older and my eyes are starting to go. So I&#8217;m interested in electronic versions of novels and manga too. The ability to zoom in and out on a page is great.</p>
<p>However I&#8217;d still like to be able to get print copies of stuff like art books and of course posters to hang on the wall. Electronic picture frames are still to small and pricey to take the place of coffee table book and wall hangings.  But maybe someday!  Hmmmm, maybe it&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t make ecological sense though. Lithography may still be the most efficient way to distribute visual joy!</p>
<p>Pb</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110636</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 22:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked at Drifting classroom and _Phoenix_ bein gon this list. I thought those would be constant sellers.</description>
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		<title>By: Josiah</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110635</link>
		<dc:creator>Josiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that one of the saddest things about the current meltdown in the publishing biz, is that we might not get much more of Kazuo Umezu&#039;s work in English. 

The Drifting Classroom is rad, and it&#039;s a shame that it&#039;s not in more stores already, and Cat Eyed Boy is fun too, but with Diamond scaling back like this, it has to affect which &quot;new&quot; Umezu-penned series Viz will publish in the West.

They might be less likely commit to printing one of his later, long-running series like Fourteen or Left Hand of God, Right Hand of the Devil. 

Also, I had no idea that Diamond considered a comic like Vagabond dead weight. I thought it was the seinen series which could appeal the most to fans of Bleach &amp; Naruto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that one of the saddest things about the current meltdown in the publishing biz, is that we might not get much more of Kazuo Umezu&#8217;s work in English. </p>
<p>The Drifting Classroom is rad, and it&#8217;s a shame that it&#8217;s not in more stores already, and Cat Eyed Boy is fun too, but with Diamond scaling back like this, it has to affect which &#8220;new&#8221; Umezu-penned series Viz will publish in the West.</p>
<p>They might be less likely commit to printing one of his later, long-running series like Fourteen or Left Hand of God, Right Hand of the Devil. </p>
<p>Also, I had no idea that Diamond considered a comic like Vagabond dead weight. I thought it was the seinen series which could appeal the most to fans of Bleach &amp; Naruto.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110634</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt- Diamond is a comics distributor, and should make available access to comics for their clients. Everything sort of follows out of that. Viz is arguably the biggest comics publisher in North America, I find it chilling that Diamond isn&#039;t interested in making-available access to their full line of material. Particularly when I as a retailer CAN find access to that full line through other distribution sources.

Diamond shouldn&#039;t be &#039;forced&#039; to carry all of those books, diamond should want to carry all of those books, out of a sense of professionalism and customer service. 

Sonic2nd- This affects anyone who tries to order these books through their Diamond account, regardless of what type of actual retailer they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt- Diamond is a comics distributor, and should make available access to comics for their clients. Everything sort of follows out of that. Viz is arguably the biggest comics publisher in North America, I find it chilling that Diamond isn&#8217;t interested in making-available access to their full line of material. Particularly when I as a retailer CAN find access to that full line through other distribution sources.</p>
<p>Diamond shouldn&#8217;t be &#8216;forced&#8217; to carry all of those books, diamond should want to carry all of those books, out of a sense of professionalism and customer service. </p>
<p>Sonic2nd- This affects anyone who tries to order these books through their Diamond account, regardless of what type of actual retailer they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Tlönista</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110633</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlönista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why should Diamond be forced to continue to carry these books? Based on my own experience at Cold Cut, these are all slow-to-no-sellers - most of the books on this list we would sell 2 or fewer copies *per year*.

Sorry, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. Not everything can be kept in stock and carried forever. Yes, there are plenty of ‘good’ books in this list, but critical acclaim does not pay the bills.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Slow-to-no-sellers? Depends on your clientele. We do a lot of business with public and school libraries, and kids’ titles like Beet, Prince of Tennis, Whistle!, etc., make up much of these orders.

Having the backlist in stock is especially important, because a) even in this enlightened age, many libraries are just starting to add comics or need to flesh out their collection, and b) unlike individual fans, who might buy a volume or two at a time, libraries buy when they get funding — which is more sporadic, and depends on the local political climate. Some order regularly to “top up” current series, but many might be buying, for example, a full run of Beet, four copies of each. Like Chris said, it’s a good thing we have other sources than Diamond!

&lt;blockquote&gt;Seems to me that Diamond is purposely changing their focus - away from a “offer everything, carry everything” model to a much more time-sensitive distribution model.

Essentially, Diamond is chopping off their “long tail”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which, considering they’re a monopoly, is pretty irresponsible to their clients and bad for the future of the market, isn’t it? Remember what we talked about in class last Wednesday?

Stupid Diamond.

PS) Chris, please delete my prev. comment in moderation; I fucked up the HTML, this is the good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why should Diamond be forced to continue to carry these books? Based on my own experience at Cold Cut, these are all slow-to-no-sellers &#8211; most of the books on this list we would sell 2 or fewer copies *per year*.</p>
<p>Sorry, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. Not everything can be kept in stock and carried forever. Yes, there are plenty of ‘good’ books in this list, but critical acclaim does not pay the bills.</p></blockquote>
<p>Slow-to-no-sellers? Depends on your clientele. We do a lot of business with public and school libraries, and kids’ titles like Beet, Prince of Tennis, Whistle!, etc., make up much of these orders.</p>
<p>Having the backlist in stock is especially important, because a) even in this enlightened age, many libraries are just starting to add comics or need to flesh out their collection, and b) unlike individual fans, who might buy a volume or two at a time, libraries buy when they get funding — which is more sporadic, and depends on the local political climate. Some order regularly to “top up” current series, but many might be buying, for example, a full run of Beet, four copies of each. Like Chris said, it’s a good thing we have other sources than Diamond!</p>
<blockquote><p>Seems to me that Diamond is purposely changing their focus &#8211; away from a “offer everything, carry everything” model to a much more time-sensitive distribution model.</p>
<p>Essentially, Diamond is chopping off their “long tail”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which, considering they’re a monopoly, is pretty irresponsible to their clients and bad for the future of the market, isn’t it? Remember what we talked about in class last Wednesday?</p>
<p>Stupid Diamond.</p>
<p>PS) Chris, please delete my prev. comment in moderation; I fucked up the HTML, this is the good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110631</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, please provide a link to the article where you said Diamond should be forced to carry these books.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Marcy</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110630</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Marcy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diamond continues down the Spiral...unreal...if publishers want to continue to have those books listed as available, Diamond, as the main game in town for a lot of comic stores, should carry them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diamond continues down the Spiral&#8230;unreal&#8230;if publishers want to continue to have those books listed as available, Diamond, as the main game in town for a lot of comic stores, should carry them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonic2nd</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110629</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonic2nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this affect comic book stores, bookstores or online stores?</description>
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		<title>By: mhigh</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110626</link>
		<dc:creator>mhigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should Diamond be forced to continue to carry these books?  Based on my own experience at Cold Cut, these are all slow-to-no-sellers - most of the books on this list we would sell 2 or fewer copies *per year*.

Sorry, but you gotta draw the line somewhere.  Not everything can be kept in stock and carried forever.  Yes, there are plenty of &#039;good&#039; books in this list, but critical acclaim does not pay the bills.

And while we haven&#039;t heard of any mass delistings from other publishers, I have no doubt the same thing is happening across a wide swath of Diamond&#039;s backlist.  Can we expect to see a similar &quot;last chance&quot; list from other publishers in the near future?

One of the news bits to come out of Diamond within the last month that seems to have been almost completely ignored is the fact that Diamond is discontinuing offering reorders on comic book issues (e.g. periodical pamphlets) that are more than 60 days old.  They will still accept reorders up to 60 days after the initial release, but after that they lock down the code and reject all reorders.

Seems to me that Diamond is purposely changing their focus - away from a &quot;offer everything, carry everything&quot; model to a much more time-sensitive distribution model.  

Essentially, Diamond is chopping off their &quot;long tail&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should Diamond be forced to continue to carry these books?  Based on my own experience at Cold Cut, these are all slow-to-no-sellers &#8211; most of the books on this list we would sell 2 or fewer copies *per year*.</p>
<p>Sorry, but you gotta draw the line somewhere.  Not everything can be kept in stock and carried forever.  Yes, there are plenty of &#8216;good&#8217; books in this list, but critical acclaim does not pay the bills.</p>
<p>And while we haven&#8217;t heard of any mass delistings from other publishers, I have no doubt the same thing is happening across a wide swath of Diamond&#8217;s backlist.  Can we expect to see a similar &#8220;last chance&#8221; list from other publishers in the near future?</p>
<p>One of the news bits to come out of Diamond within the last month that seems to have been almost completely ignored is the fact that Diamond is discontinuing offering reorders on comic book issues (e.g. periodical pamphlets) that are more than 60 days old.  They will still accept reorders up to 60 days after the initial release, but after that they lock down the code and reject all reorders.</p>
<p>Seems to me that Diamond is purposely changing their focus &#8211; away from a &#8220;offer everything, carry everything&#8221; model to a much more time-sensitive distribution model.  </p>
<p>Essentially, Diamond is chopping off their &#8220;long tail&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110623</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I must plead the fif.  Fiiiif!</description>
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		<title>By: Tucker Stone</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110622</link>
		<dc:creator>Tucker Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually, depending on one’s perspective, this may not be bad news…&quot;

Simon, you mind going further with that statement?  The way I&#039;m seeing it--obviously, it&#039;s not like Viz will disappear or anything, I&#039;ve always been half as dependent on Amazon even being a NYC based buyer anyway, this just makes them more attractive--but doesn&#039;t the official dilution of manga supply for direct market stores pretty much operate as purely bad news?  (I&#039;m not trying to be contentious--i&#039;ve read enough of your stuff at Icarus to know you aren&#039;t being flip.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually, depending on one’s perspective, this may not be bad news…&#8221;</p>
<p>Simon, you mind going further with that statement?  The way I&#8217;m seeing it&#8211;obviously, it&#8217;s not like Viz will disappear or anything, I&#8217;ve always been half as dependent on Amazon even being a NYC based buyer anyway, this just makes them more attractive&#8211;but doesn&#8217;t the official dilution of manga supply for direct market stores pretty much operate as purely bad news?  (I&#8217;m not trying to be contentious&#8211;i&#8217;ve read enough of your stuff at Icarus to know you aren&#8217;t being flip.)</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110621</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie--&gt;

Retailers already have plenty of options outside of Diamond for Viz books.  In addition to book market sources, AAA Anime carries practically all of their in-print books.

Not saying that Viz shouldn&#039;t consider Haven or any other distributor, just that Viz does not face a distribution problem.  A setback for sure, but retailer who want those books enough can still get them with relative ease.  Actually, depending on one&#039;s perspective, this may not be bad news...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie&#8211;&gt;</p>
<p>Retailers already have plenty of options outside of Diamond for Viz books.  In addition to book market sources, AAA Anime carries practically all of their in-print books.</p>
<p>Not saying that Viz shouldn&#8217;t consider Haven or any other distributor, just that Viz does not face a distribution problem.  A setback for sure, but retailer who want those books enough can still get them with relative ease.  Actually, depending on one&#8217;s perspective, this may not be bad news&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hammond</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110620</link>
		<dc:creator>Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how frustrating, i don&#039;t and wont have the money any time soon to get what i still need from whats listed, hopefully the local stores wont run out anytime soon

Blast you Diamond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how frustrating, i don&#8217;t and wont have the money any time soon to get what i still need from whats listed, hopefully the local stores wont run out anytime soon</p>
<p>Blast you Diamond</p>
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		<title>By: Tlönista</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110619</link>
		<dc:creator>Tlönista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(not to mention the girls&#039; favourite here at the Funhouse, &lt;i&gt;Basara&lt;/i&gt;...)

But seriously, what&#039;s going on with Diamond?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(not to mention the girls&#8217; favourite here at the Funhouse, <i>Basara</i>&#8230;)</p>
<p>But seriously, what&#8217;s going on with Diamond?</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Coville</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Coville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, hopefully Haven Distribution can work out something with Viz to distribute these books.</description>
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		<title>By: zach worton</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110616</link>
		<dc:creator>zach worton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 03:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sigh...this just re-affirms my suspicion that one of satan&#039;s children is named diamond comics distribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sigh&#8230;this just re-affirms my suspicion that one of satan&#8217;s children is named diamond comics distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Tucker Stone</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110615</link>
		<dc:creator>Tucker Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is infuriating.  What a stupid, shitty fucking move.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/13/diamond-de-lists-1000-viz-manga/comment-page-1/#comment-110614</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt- GAH! Malapropism. Fixed. Nothing to worry about there, things are great. :)

- Chris</description>
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<p>- Chris</p>
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