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	<title>Comments on: Following Up: Naoki Urasawa&#8217;s Monster, Then And Now</title>
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		<title>By: Sephiroth</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/16/following-up-naoki-urasawas-monster-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-133024</link>
		<dc:creator>Sephiroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 05:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I just wanted to say that I loved this series. It was amazing, so thought provoking on humanity and what people can be made to do. I also love the references to Hitler, the purging of undesired races and also the talk of the genetic experiments along with the pairings to create the perfect children, the perfect race. All of this just blew my mind. 

I wanted to say to that I have been reading through everyone&#039;s comments and noticed the main concern is everyone is confused as to why johan dressed as a girl as a child. I have the answer to this. If you really payed attention you realize that the mother was trying to escape with her twins from the scientists. The scientists would have know to look for a woman with two small children the same age one boy and one girl. The mother, to make them less noticible dressed Johan up as a girl too. So she would appear to have identical twin girls rather than fraternal twins boy and girl. This would make people not question who she and her children are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I just wanted to say that I loved this series. It was amazing, so thought provoking on humanity and what people can be made to do. I also love the references to Hitler, the purging of undesired races and also the talk of the genetic experiments along with the pairings to create the perfect children, the perfect race. All of this just blew my mind. </p>
<p>I wanted to say to that I have been reading through everyone&#8217;s comments and noticed the main concern is everyone is confused as to why johan dressed as a girl as a child. I have the answer to this. If you really payed attention you realize that the mother was trying to escape with her twins from the scientists. The scientists would have know to look for a woman with two small children the same age one boy and one girl. The mother, to make them less noticible dressed Johan up as a girl too. So she would appear to have identical twin girls rather than fraternal twins boy and girl. This would make people not question who she and her children are.</p>
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		<title>By: Teemo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ending really disapointed me... i didnt read the manga, only watched the anime but the whole time i was thinking, that Johan isn´t really THE bad guy in this story, i was waiting till the end to see this &quot;omg, this CANT BE!&quot;-moment but there wasn´t one... when Johan hold his gun at this kid at the ending, it shows that he is realy a monster and this thing disapointed me... Johan was the bad guy at the begining of Monster and was even a bigger monster at the very ending, just boring in my opinion..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ending really disapointed me&#8230; i didnt read the manga, only watched the anime but the whole time i was thinking, that Johan isn´t really THE bad guy in this story, i was waiting till the end to see this &#8220;omg, this CANT BE!&#8221;-moment but there wasn´t one&#8230; when Johan hold his gun at this kid at the ending, it shows that he is realy a monster and this thing disapointed me&#8230; Johan was the bad guy at the begining of Monster and was even a bigger monster at the very ending, just boring in my opinion..</p>
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		<title>By: annoymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>annoymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 21:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lunge asked Tenma to save Johann because Lunge wanted Tenma to hold on to his own belief that &quot;all lives are equal&quot; and that Tenma didn&#039;t make the wrong choice of saving Johann 10 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lunge asked Tenma to save Johann because Lunge wanted Tenma to hold on to his own belief that &#8220;all lives are equal&#8221; and that Tenma didn&#8217;t make the wrong choice of saving Johann 10 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, late comment but I&#039;d like to add something.

It&#039;s been years now, but I was under the impression that Johan&#039;s mother dressed the twins as girls because they were in hiding.  The people after them were looking for a woman with twins, a boy and a girl.  So the mother dressed both of them as girls and only took one out of the house at a time, presenting the illusion of a woman with one daughter.  I considered this a huge mindfuck a the time.

Overall I felt satisfied by the ending.  Tenma&#039;s decision to save Johan after a year of hunting him frustrated me, but I would have been more frustrated if Tenma had allowed him to die.   For me, the series was about Tenma&#039;s inner conflict with his nobler instincts.  In the end, the noblest impulse of all wins out, even though it was all for nothing (Johan&#039;s escape).  For some reason, this felt worth it to me.  Tenma can&#039;t control Johan and he also can&#039;t compromise himself, so this is the only possible ending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, late comment but I&#8217;d like to add something.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been years now, but I was under the impression that Johan&#8217;s mother dressed the twins as girls because they were in hiding.  The people after them were looking for a woman with twins, a boy and a girl.  So the mother dressed both of them as girls and only took one out of the house at a time, presenting the illusion of a woman with one daughter.  I considered this a huge mindfuck a the time.</p>
<p>Overall I felt satisfied by the ending.  Tenma&#8217;s decision to save Johan after a year of hunting him frustrated me, but I would have been more frustrated if Tenma had allowed him to die.   For me, the series was about Tenma&#8217;s inner conflict with his nobler instincts.  In the end, the noblest impulse of all wins out, even though it was all for nothing (Johan&#8217;s escape).  For some reason, this felt worth it to me.  Tenma can&#8217;t control Johan and he also can&#8217;t compromise himself, so this is the only possible ending.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

so i thought i understood the ending.  can anyone confirm that which kid was taken to 511 at the end?  i thought it was anna who got taken into 511, and later shared her experience with johan.  johan then turned into a monster... can someone confirm that?  thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>so i thought i understood the ending.  can anyone confirm that which kid was taken to 511 at the end?  i thought it was anna who got taken into 511, and later shared her experience with johan.  johan then turned into a monster&#8230; can someone confirm that?  thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Carole</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/16/following-up-naoki-urasawas-monster-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-110913</link>
		<dc:creator>Carole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished the series and I wanted to talk to someone about it right away, but none of my friends have read the entire series.  I&#039;m glad that I found your site!
I agree with Rippke about the awesome fight scene in vol. 18.  It was great!  Not to be too gruesome but, I do think that he could&#039;ve added more blood in the chapters about the massacre.  Afterall, when you think of a massacre, what images come to mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished the series and I wanted to talk to someone about it right away, but none of my friends have read the entire series.  I&#8217;m glad that I found your site!<br />
I agree with Rippke about the awesome fight scene in vol. 18.  It was great!  Not to be too gruesome but, I do think that he could&#8217;ve added more blood in the chapters about the massacre.  Afterall, when you think of a massacre, what images come to mind?</p>
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		<title>By: Halliday</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rippke&gt;Because if he didn&#039;t, then HE&#039;D BE THE MONSTER!  MUAH HA HA HA HA!  Or something to that effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rippke&gt;Because if he didn&#8217;t, then HE&#8217;D BE THE MONSTER!  MUAH HA HA HA HA!  Or something to that effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Rippke</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/16/following-up-naoki-urasawas-monster-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-110678</link>
		<dc:creator>Rippke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought volume 18 was worth it just for the kickass fight scene with Lunge and Roberto.
The ending felt undercooked. Perhaps if Urasawa had another chapter or two to wrap it up, it would&#039;ve made for a tighter resolution. My biggest question was, why did Tenma save Johann again? Didn&#039;t he just spend 18 volumes blaming himself for everything horrible Johann did after he saved him the first time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought volume 18 was worth it just for the kickass fight scene with Lunge and Roberto.<br />
The ending felt undercooked. Perhaps if Urasawa had another chapter or two to wrap it up, it would&#8217;ve made for a tighter resolution. My biggest question was, why did Tenma save Johann again? Didn&#8217;t he just spend 18 volumes blaming himself for everything horrible Johann did after he saved him the first time?</p>
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		<title>By: Halliday</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/02/16/following-up-naoki-urasawas-monster-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-110668</link>
		<dc:creator>Halliday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>???  I&#039;m fairly certain (though I could be wrong... it&#039;s been awhile since I&#039;ve read MONSTER) it was established earlier in the series that Johann and Anna routinely wore each others clothes as a game to see if their mother was able to tell which of them she was speaking too or not, which is what was going on when she came in, followed by the experiment guys.  I think it just got confusing because of how fractured the timeline became as it was the last of the revelations... but it was definately established that Johann could pass for Anna at any given point (such as how he played Inspector Suk), suggesting that he had much practice doing it.

To me, the point of that whole thing was that it was that the ambiguity of their mother&#039;s decision (IE:  Did she know which child she was sacrificing, or did she not know?  And in either case, which child was it she didn&#039;t need?  Was it that she wanted to save Johann, but mistook him for Anna, or that she wanted to save Anna, and was conscious of which one she was sacrificing?) the real catalyst for Johann&#039;s transformation... as I believe it was also established that the Kinderheim 511 experiments were NOT what actually made Johann a monster... he was a monster to begin with.

I&#039;m not as bothered by the fact that Franz Bonaparta&#039;s &quot;lessons&quot; were never concretely revealed... something like that seems to be better left ambiguous, otherwise people could just argue, &quot;Oh, that&#039;s BULLSHIT!  That&#039;d never actually work!&quot;  It&#039;s just a McGuffin... it doesn&#039;t actually matter what the specifics of the lessons were, as long as you get the gist of it.  Knowing the specifics neither adds or detracts from the plot for me.

Personally, I was more bothered by the pacing of the ending, as that final mindfuck moment seems rather abrupt, and then the last page was just completely unnessesary to me (though, for the life of me, I can&#039;t think of anything better, so it&#039;s hard to criticize... at least the entire series wasn&#039;t all a dream!).

Overall, I enjoyed the series as a complete work, and the ending, while not entirely perfect, does nothing to detract from the series as a whole.  MONSTER is a really solid piece of fiction.

That said, I definately don&#039;t consider it Naoki Urasawa&#039;s best work in the least!  20TH CENTURY BOYS is a VAST improvement, taking everything he learned over the course of MONSTER and honing it even further... having re-read the first volume just last week, after having read all but the final volume of the series, I cannot BELIEVE how much he sets up in that first volume that doesn&#039;t pay off for what would have been YEARS at the time.  There are some plot points in that first volume that don&#039;t pay off until the 18 or 19th volume!  I just can&#039;t wrap my mind around how far thinking he must have been to have planned all that out.  And, amazingly enough, PLUTO is even an improvement on THAT.

Naoki Urasawa is definitely one of my favorite mangaka of all time, if not just one of my favorite overall creators, and I&#039;m so happy to see his work finding an audience in North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>???  I&#8217;m fairly certain (though I could be wrong&#8230; it&#8217;s been awhile since I&#8217;ve read MONSTER) it was established earlier in the series that Johann and Anna routinely wore each others clothes as a game to see if their mother was able to tell which of them she was speaking too or not, which is what was going on when she came in, followed by the experiment guys.  I think it just got confusing because of how fractured the timeline became as it was the last of the revelations&#8230; but it was definately established that Johann could pass for Anna at any given point (such as how he played Inspector Suk), suggesting that he had much practice doing it.</p>
<p>To me, the point of that whole thing was that it was that the ambiguity of their mother&#8217;s decision (IE:  Did she know which child she was sacrificing, or did she not know?  And in either case, which child was it she didn&#8217;t need?  Was it that she wanted to save Johann, but mistook him for Anna, or that she wanted to save Anna, and was conscious of which one she was sacrificing?) the real catalyst for Johann&#8217;s transformation&#8230; as I believe it was also established that the Kinderheim 511 experiments were NOT what actually made Johann a monster&#8230; he was a monster to begin with.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not as bothered by the fact that Franz Bonaparta&#8217;s &#8220;lessons&#8221; were never concretely revealed&#8230; something like that seems to be better left ambiguous, otherwise people could just argue, &#8220;Oh, that&#8217;s BULLSHIT!  That&#8217;d never actually work!&#8221;  It&#8217;s just a McGuffin&#8230; it doesn&#8217;t actually matter what the specifics of the lessons were, as long as you get the gist of it.  Knowing the specifics neither adds or detracts from the plot for me.</p>
<p>Personally, I was more bothered by the pacing of the ending, as that final mindfuck moment seems rather abrupt, and then the last page was just completely unnessesary to me (though, for the life of me, I can&#8217;t think of anything better, so it&#8217;s hard to criticize&#8230; at least the entire series wasn&#8217;t all a dream!).</p>
<p>Overall, I enjoyed the series as a complete work, and the ending, while not entirely perfect, does nothing to detract from the series as a whole.  MONSTER is a really solid piece of fiction.</p>
<p>That said, I definately don&#8217;t consider it Naoki Urasawa&#8217;s best work in the least!  20TH CENTURY BOYS is a VAST improvement, taking everything he learned over the course of MONSTER and honing it even further&#8230; having re-read the first volume just last week, after having read all but the final volume of the series, I cannot BELIEVE how much he sets up in that first volume that doesn&#8217;t pay off for what would have been YEARS at the time.  There are some plot points in that first volume that don&#8217;t pay off until the 18 or 19th volume!  I just can&#8217;t wrap my mind around how far thinking he must have been to have planned all that out.  And, amazingly enough, PLUTO is even an improvement on THAT.</p>
<p>Naoki Urasawa is definitely one of my favorite mangaka of all time, if not just one of my favorite overall creators, and I&#8217;m so happy to see his work finding an audience in North America.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 17, 2009: Presidents&#8217; Day clearance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Feb. 17, 2009: Presidents&#8217; Day clearance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that Johan&#039;s mother had them dressed up as girls to confuse herself.  Dressing them both up as girls, and confusing them, spared her the choice of choosing one over the other.  That seemed to tie into the way coincidences play a stronger role than natural tendencies; both children are products of their environments and circumstances.  It could have been either of the twins, and it being the &quot;girl&quot; is just an illusion.

There&#039;s an obvious biblical twist in there, so maybe I&#039;m projecting something into this considering it&#039;s a Japanese work, but that&#039;s what I got out of the ending, and that&#039;s why for me it worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that Johan&#8217;s mother had them dressed up as girls to confuse herself.  Dressing them both up as girls, and confusing them, spared her the choice of choosing one over the other.  That seemed to tie into the way coincidences play a stronger role than natural tendencies; both children are products of their environments and circumstances.  It could have been either of the twins, and it being the &#8220;girl&#8221; is just an illusion.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an obvious biblical twist in there, so maybe I&#8217;m projecting something into this considering it&#8217;s a Japanese work, but that&#8217;s what I got out of the ending, and that&#8217;s why for me it worked.</p>
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		<title>By: MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hard times</title>
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		<dc:creator>MangaBlog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hard times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] spoilers, because the end of the book is a big part of the discussion. Christopher Butcher has some thoughts on the ending and the series as a whole at Comics212; Lissa Pattillo reviews the entire series at Kuriousity. I reviewed the last volume [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about the lessons. That was probably the largest &#039;gap&#039; I think existed when finishing the last volume. As important as Johan was, I felt the series was leading us up to learning more specifics about the lessons and I was disappointed when they hit the backburner the moment everything starting coming together in the final volumes.

Both Johan and Anna being dressed as girls as children was also an odd thing tossed in. Well said that it felt like a surprise for surprise&#039;s sake. The scene where the Mother hesitated about giving up one of them made me think that she knew they wanted Anna, and that perhaps she wanted her daughter over her son, so she dressed them both as girls, believing she could tell them apart well enough to hand over Johan. I think Johan felt this may&#039;ve been the case as well, as it seemed during his short conversation with Dr. Tenma at the end.

So many little questions in the end, but ultimately it&#039;s a testiment to the series as a whole just how little they diminish a readers&#039; overall positive sense of the series (or mine anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about the lessons. That was probably the largest &#8216;gap&#8217; I think existed when finishing the last volume. As important as Johan was, I felt the series was leading us up to learning more specifics about the lessons and I was disappointed when they hit the backburner the moment everything starting coming together in the final volumes.</p>
<p>Both Johan and Anna being dressed as girls as children was also an odd thing tossed in. Well said that it felt like a surprise for surprise&#8217;s sake. The scene where the Mother hesitated about giving up one of them made me think that she knew they wanted Anna, and that perhaps she wanted her daughter over her son, so she dressed them both as girls, believing she could tell them apart well enough to hand over Johan. I think Johan felt this may&#8217;ve been the case as well, as it seemed during his short conversation with Dr. Tenma at the end.</p>
<p>So many little questions in the end, but ultimately it&#8217;s a testiment to the series as a whole just how little they diminish a readers&#8217; overall positive sense of the series (or mine anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: Josiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about the &quot;little Johann used to dress up in girl&#039;s clothing&quot; surprise; it did feel tacked on, and so did the &quot;Sophie&#039;s Choice&quot; bit right near the end during the imaginary (?) bedside conversation.

I understand that Johann didn&#039;t ask to be made into a soulless, manipulative, child-murdering sociopath, but the last few pages try really, really hard to hammer home that point.

It just seems unnecessary.

Otherwise I really liked the last volume (and not just because it was 250 pages for $10!); I loved to see Inspector Lunge interacting with Wolfgang Grimmer and of course, Dr. Tenma finally.    

Also: I didn&#039;t realize how much of the comic is a grand-scale celebration of food and the sharing of it with friends. It seems like the only time anyone is really happy in Monster is when they&#039;re eating sausage or Tenma&#039;s Japanese cooking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about the &#8220;little Johann used to dress up in girl&#8217;s clothing&#8221; surprise; it did feel tacked on, and so did the &#8220;Sophie&#8217;s Choice&#8221; bit right near the end during the imaginary (?) bedside conversation.</p>
<p>I understand that Johann didn&#8217;t ask to be made into a soulless, manipulative, child-murdering sociopath, but the last few pages try really, really hard to hammer home that point.</p>
<p>It just seems unnecessary.</p>
<p>Otherwise I really liked the last volume (and not just because it was 250 pages for $10!); I loved to see Inspector Lunge interacting with Wolfgang Grimmer and of course, Dr. Tenma finally.    </p>
<p>Also: I didn&#8217;t realize how much of the comic is a grand-scale celebration of food and the sharing of it with friends. It seems like the only time anyone is really happy in Monster is when they&#8217;re eating sausage or Tenma&#8217;s Japanese cooking.</p>
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