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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/07/30/a-quick-little-follow-up-on-comic-con/comment-page-1/#comment-111836</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that excellent analysis, Chris. I&#039;ve been trying to figure out for a while now why conventions seem to be less enjoyable with each passing each year and I think you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head.

Re: Anime Cons

I don&#039;t travel very much anymore so I can&#039;t really comment on the current state of conventions. What I can say is that Anime North is like the example you gave &lt;I&gt;already&lt;/I&gt;, and in my opinion it has been in a steady decline since about 2004. It now boasts unrelated events such as wrestling tournaments and random guests such as Ed the Sock. Seriously, Ed the Sock at an anime convention? Speaking of guests, I feel there are not nearly enough who are actually involved in the actual creation of anime and manga (e.g. artists, writers, directors, etc.) I would hazard to guess that if you asked the average fan what they liked best about anime and manga as a genre, the response would involve something about stories, characters and/or artwork. (&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090802085947AA99lS9&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;See example.&lt;/A&gt;) The things they liked best would probably NOT be the voiceover work or theme songs, so why is there so much focus on voice actor and pop star guests? Is it simply because they are easier and less expensive to book as guests?

I&#039;ve also noticed that there are an increasing number of attendees of the let&#039;s-just-cosplay-and-hang-out variety, many of whom are not particularly interested in any of the guests, exhibitors and events (save for the masquerade). I worry that someday they&#039;ll realize that they don&#039;t actually need to buy the expensive convention pass because pretty much everything they come for (photoshoots, meet-ups and hotel shenanigans) actually occurs &lt;I&gt;outside the convention hall&lt;/I&gt;. And as much as I hope this will never happen, part of me admits that if things continue on their current path it&#039;ll just be a matter of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that excellent analysis, Chris. I&#8217;ve been trying to figure out for a while now why conventions seem to be less enjoyable with each passing each year and I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>Re: Anime Cons</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t travel very much anymore so I can&#8217;t really comment on the current state of conventions. What I can say is that Anime North is like the example you gave <i>already</i>, and in my opinion it has been in a steady decline since about 2004. It now boasts unrelated events such as wrestling tournaments and random guests such as Ed the Sock. Seriously, Ed the Sock at an anime convention? Speaking of guests, I feel there are not nearly enough who are actually involved in the actual creation of anime and manga (e.g. artists, writers, directors, etc.) I would hazard to guess that if you asked the average fan what they liked best about anime and manga as a genre, the response would involve something about stories, characters and/or artwork. (<a HREF="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090802085947AA99lS9" rel="nofollow">See example.</a>) The things they liked best would probably NOT be the voiceover work or theme songs, so why is there so much focus on voice actor and pop star guests? Is it simply because they are easier and less expensive to book as guests?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed that there are an increasing number of attendees of the let&#8217;s-just-cosplay-and-hang-out variety, many of whom are not particularly interested in any of the guests, exhibitors and events (save for the masquerade). I worry that someday they&#8217;ll realize that they don&#8217;t actually need to buy the expensive convention pass because pretty much everything they come for (photoshoots, meet-ups and hotel shenanigans) actually occurs <i>outside the convention hall</i>. And as much as I hope this will never happen, part of me admits that if things continue on their current path it&#8217;ll just be a matter of time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat Kan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat Kan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My brother, who lives a 15-minute drive away from Rosemont, has attended the Chicago Comic-Con for the last 9 years.  He ignores the media stuff and focuses on the comics creators who are there.  He enjoys it every year, and each year he meets someone he hasn&#039;t met before.  He buys their comics and their art.  So one can attend the Chicago Comic-Con just for the comics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My brother, who lives a 15-minute drive away from Rosemont, has attended the Chicago Comic-Con for the last 9 years.  He ignores the media stuff and focuses on the comics creators who are there.  He enjoys it every year, and each year he meets someone he hasn&#8217;t met before.  He buys their comics and their art.  So one can attend the Chicago Comic-Con just for the comics.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As an aside, the 10,000 TWILIGHT fans at the con really were a problem for the show, but a lot of the reasons that got floated came from a sexist, xenophobic, bullshit fanboy place. I actually feel bad even writing this, but truly, legitimately, 6,000 people at the show JUST for Twilight means 6,000 people that weren’t spending money at the show means 6,000 people that might’ve wanted to go that had an interest in dropping a few bucks at the various vendors? Shut out.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s the first explanation I&#039;ve read of why Twilight might&#039;ve been a bad thing for the con that hasn&#039;t been sexist, xenophobic, fanboy bullshit. So thanks for that.

I actually hadn&#039;t thought of that potential pitfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As an aside, the 10,000 TWILIGHT fans at the con really were a problem for the show, but a lot of the reasons that got floated came from a sexist, xenophobic, bullshit fanboy place. I actually feel bad even writing this, but truly, legitimately, 6,000 people at the show JUST for Twilight means 6,000 people that weren’t spending money at the show means 6,000 people that might’ve wanted to go that had an interest in dropping a few bucks at the various vendors? Shut out.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the first explanation I&#8217;ve read of why Twilight might&#8217;ve been a bad thing for the con that hasn&#8217;t been sexist, xenophobic, fanboy bullshit. So thanks for that.</p>
<p>I actually hadn&#8217;t thought of that potential pitfall.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Zubkavich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Zubkavich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Chris.

One small thing - PAX is about gaming, not just video games. Obviously video games make up the majority of it, but there is a serious line of board games and tabletop RPGs that make up their programming as well alongside the video games. The focus is games and they&#039;ve done a stellar job at curating vendors and companies that fit their target demographic to a tee. No gutter of porn stars or c-list actors, no wasted space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Chris.</p>
<p>One small thing &#8211; PAX is about gaming, not just video games. Obviously video games make up the majority of it, but there is a serious line of board games and tabletop RPGs that make up their programming as well alongside the video games. The focus is games and they&#8217;ve done a stellar job at curating vendors and companies that fit their target demographic to a tee. No gutter of porn stars or c-list actors, no wasted space.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clearly stating what&#039;s been percolating in my brainpan!
I really don&#039;t think there&#039;s much hope of SDCC re-emphasizing comics. The Pandora&#039;s box on that has been opened. But that&#039;s okay if other, smaller conventions (is there anything in the US as large as SDCC?) are more comic-centric. I&#039;ve given up on West Coast Wizard shows a while ago and I have high hopes for Long Beach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearly stating what&#8217;s been percolating in my brainpan!<br />
I really don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much hope of SDCC re-emphasizing comics. The Pandora&#8217;s box on that has been opened. But that&#8217;s okay if other, smaller conventions (is there anything in the US as large as SDCC?) are more comic-centric. I&#8217;ve given up on West Coast Wizard shows a while ago and I have high hopes for Long Beach.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Ottaviani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Ottaviani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well stated! Thanks for thinking this through, Christopher. And I think what you suggest is achievable, not just desirable, which is even better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well stated! Thanks for thinking this through, Christopher. And I think what you suggest is achievable, not just desirable, which is even better.</p>
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		<title>By: THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; KIbbles &#8216;n&#8217; Bits &#8212; July 31, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; KIbbles &#8216;n&#8217; Bits &#8212; July 31, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Butcher sums up that fact that&#8230;only Comic-con can do what Comic-Con does?:  Something like SDCC but just for the entertainment industry? It doesn’t exist. The movie [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chris Butcher sums up that fact that&#8230;only Comic-con can do what Comic-Con does?:  Something like SDCC but just for the entertainment industry? It doesn’t exist. The movie [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Towle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Towle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should trek on down to Charlotte NC sometime for Heroes Con.  It&#039;s a great, medium-sized, independent COMICS convention.  No wrestlers, no guys who once played a Jawa, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should trek on down to Charlotte NC sometime for Heroes Con.  It&#8217;s a great, medium-sized, independent COMICS convention.  No wrestlers, no guys who once played a Jawa, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources - Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment &#187; Comics A.M. &#124; The comics Internet in two minutes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources - Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment &#187; Comics A.M. &#124; The comics Internet in two minutes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Conventions &#124; Retailer Christopher Butcher, organizer of the Toronto Comic Arts Festival, surveys the comics-convention landscape and wonders where the comics are. He also comments on the Twilight &#8220;controversy&#8221; at Comic-Con International: &#8220;&#8230; The 10,000 Twilight fans at the con really were a problem for the show, but a lot of the reasons that got floated came from a sexist, xenophobic, bullshit fanboy place. I actually feel bad even writing this, but truly, legitimately, 6,000 people at the show just for Twilight means 6,000 people that weren’t spending money at the show means 6,000 people that might’ve wanted to go that had an interest in dropping a few bucks at the various vendors? Shut out.&#8221; [Comics212] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Conventions | Retailer Christopher Butcher, organizer of the Toronto Comic Arts Festival, surveys the comics-convention landscape and wonders where the comics are. He also comments on the Twilight &#8220;controversy&#8221; at Comic-Con International: &#8220;&#8230; The 10,000 Twilight fans at the con really were a problem for the show, but a lot of the reasons that got floated came from a sexist, xenophobic, bullshit fanboy place. I actually feel bad even writing this, but truly, legitimately, 6,000 people at the show just for Twilight means 6,000 people that weren’t spending money at the show means 6,000 people that might’ve wanted to go that had an interest in dropping a few bucks at the various vendors? Shut out.&#8221; [Comics212] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; July 31, 2009: Gone a bit yellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista - the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; July 31, 2009: Gone a bit yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Christopher Butcher notes the increasing number of comics conventions where comics are an afterthought. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Christopher Butcher notes the increasing number of comics conventions where comics are an afterthought. [...]</p>
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