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		<title>By: Comic Book Links For Tuesday December 1st&#124;Comic Book Daily</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-128844</link>
		<dc:creator>Comic Book Links For Tuesday December 1st&#124;Comic Book Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Butcher (from one of Toronto&#8217;s best comic shops The Beguiling) live blogs his previews. Hilarious! (Also he provides us with a great little Bryan Lee O&#8217;Malley [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scratchie</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113167</link>
		<dc:creator>Scratchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree 100% w/ Chris and Ralf re: hardcovers. I&#039;ve only been &quot;back into&quot; mainstream comics for a few years now, but there have already been numerous series that I&#039;ve skipped because I had to wait a year or more between the buzz and the TPB edition. 

It&#039;s particularly insulting that the hardcovers in question are so cheap-ass that they usually don&#039;t even include a sewn binding. They&#039;re just a paperback with a cardboard cover glued on, so you can&#039;t even open them wide enough to see the double-page spread. Marvel has recently fixed this on some (all?) of their hardcovers, but for a long time there, the attitude was basically &quot;You people will buy anything, won&#039;t you?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree 100% w/ Chris and Ralf re: hardcovers. I&#8217;ve only been &#8220;back into&#8221; mainstream comics for a few years now, but there have already been numerous series that I&#8217;ve skipped because I had to wait a year or more between the buzz and the TPB edition. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s particularly insulting that the hardcovers in question are so cheap-ass that they usually don&#8217;t even include a sewn binding. They&#8217;re just a paperback with a cardboard cover glued on, so you can&#8217;t even open them wide enough to see the double-page spread. Marvel has recently fixed this on some (all?) of their hardcovers, but for a long time there, the attitude was basically &#8220;You people will buy anything, won&#8217;t you?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BoozerX</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113111</link>
		<dc:creator>BoozerX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comics are a periodical item , and TPB are hurting the series sales.
So is perfectly acceptable to punish the wait for the trade buyers.
I buy the comic and help the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comics are a periodical item , and TPB are hurting the series sales.<br />
So is perfectly acceptable to punish the wait for the trade buyers.<br />
I buy the comic and help the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113062</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralf- It&#039;s worth noting that there&#039;s a large backlash in the bookselling community against HCs right now, with more and more booksellers asking for paperback-originals (usually trade paperbacks). Many of the booksellers I know regard HCs as &quot;future-bargain-bin-books&quot; or similar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralf- It&#8217;s worth noting that there&#8217;s a large backlash in the bookselling community against HCs right now, with more and more booksellers asking for paperback-originals (usually trade paperbacks). Many of the booksellers I know regard HCs as &#8220;future-bargain-bin-books&#8221; or similar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Haring</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113054</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Haring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the comparison with the standard book market maps 100%. There early adopters are paying a premium (the HC) to get access to the content before other people. In comics, that role is filled by the single issues.

The problem with comics HCs as described above is that you aren&#039;t capturing the early adopter market with a higher cost item (they bought the issues) and you aren&#039;t capturing the bulk of the trade waiters (they&#039;ll want the SC). So for months and months your stuck in this nebulous middle ground where publishers are just pissing away reader interest allowing any heat the stories might have had to dissipate.

If they wanted to release hc and sc simultaneously, I&#039;d be more than pleased with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the comparison with the standard book market maps 100%. There early adopters are paying a premium (the HC) to get access to the content before other people. In comics, that role is filled by the single issues.</p>
<p>The problem with comics HCs as described above is that you aren&#8217;t capturing the early adopter market with a higher cost item (they bought the issues) and you aren&#8217;t capturing the bulk of the trade waiters (they&#8217;ll want the SC). So for months and months your stuck in this nebulous middle ground where publishers are just pissing away reader interest allowing any heat the stories might have had to dissipate.</p>
<p>If they wanted to release hc and sc simultaneously, I&#8217;d be more than pleased with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick H</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113053</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I&#039;m going to stick my head above the ramparts and say this:

I don&#039;t think HC-then-SC is such a bad thing.

Now, wait, before you pile on me already, hear me out.

HC-then-SC is the traditional publishing model for most of the books you&#039;ll find in a bookshop (excepting, of course, the mass-market tat which never makes it into HC). I&#039;ve yet to see anyone complain that it&#039;s a disgrace how Roth and Palahniuk and what have you get published in HC first and then you have to wait months for the paperbacks.

Indeed, with non-fiction, it can be a heck of a lot worse. This because non-fiction HCs are very expensive, so if a publisher find they&#039;ve got one that&#039;s selling well, they&#039;ll purposefully delay the release of the paperback. Because, hey, money. No bad thing for a publisher.

I disagree, to an extent, with what Ralf says in the first comment. I hate, hate, *hate* buying a book and then finding later that I have to buy it *again* to get my preferred format. Waiting isn&#039;t the answer, there&#039;s no guarantee that a later HC will come along, or the SC might go out of print before I can buy it if I get the timing wrong. Absolute/Omnibus editions I can cope with, as clearly there&#039;s a marked difference between those and a normal SC. But pumping out a bog-standard HC *after* the SC? That&#039;s stupid.

In short, I don&#039;t see the problem. For people who suck up the hype, there&#039;s the single issues to chuck at them. For people who want the premium edition, there&#039;s the HC. And for the people who want it cheap, they can wait for the SC. Just like all other book buyers have to do. Just don&#039;t make me play the &#039;Do I buy this SC, or do I wait for the potential HC, which may never turn up?&#039; game on books I follow. For example, DC really dropped the ball with the Ex Machina hardcovers, putting out one (which I bought) and I haven&#039;t seen any since. Had I known then what I do know I&#039;d&#039;ve stuck with the SCs and been done with the damn thing already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I&#8217;m going to stick my head above the ramparts and say this:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think HC-then-SC is such a bad thing.</p>
<p>Now, wait, before you pile on me already, hear me out.</p>
<p>HC-then-SC is the traditional publishing model for most of the books you&#8217;ll find in a bookshop (excepting, of course, the mass-market tat which never makes it into HC). I&#8217;ve yet to see anyone complain that it&#8217;s a disgrace how Roth and Palahniuk and what have you get published in HC first and then you have to wait months for the paperbacks.</p>
<p>Indeed, with non-fiction, it can be a heck of a lot worse. This because non-fiction HCs are very expensive, so if a publisher find they&#8217;ve got one that&#8217;s selling well, they&#8217;ll purposefully delay the release of the paperback. Because, hey, money. No bad thing for a publisher.</p>
<p>I disagree, to an extent, with what Ralf says in the first comment. I hate, hate, *hate* buying a book and then finding later that I have to buy it *again* to get my preferred format. Waiting isn&#8217;t the answer, there&#8217;s no guarantee that a later HC will come along, or the SC might go out of print before I can buy it if I get the timing wrong. Absolute/Omnibus editions I can cope with, as clearly there&#8217;s a marked difference between those and a normal SC. But pumping out a bog-standard HC *after* the SC? That&#8217;s stupid.</p>
<p>In short, I don&#8217;t see the problem. For people who suck up the hype, there&#8217;s the single issues to chuck at them. For people who want the premium edition, there&#8217;s the HC. And for the people who want it cheap, they can wait for the SC. Just like all other book buyers have to do. Just don&#8217;t make me play the &#8216;Do I buy this SC, or do I wait for the potential HC, which may never turn up?&#8217; game on books I follow. For example, DC really dropped the ball with the Ex Machina hardcovers, putting out one (which I bought) and I haven&#8217;t seen any since. Had I known then what I do know I&#8217;d've stuck with the SCs and been done with the damn thing already.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalista &#8211; the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dec. 1, 2009: It&#8217;s alive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalista &#8211; the news weblog of The Comics Journal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dec. 1, 2009: It&#8217;s alive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Butcher liveblogs the November edition of Diamond Previews: one, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ralf Haring</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113014</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Haring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be noted that as &quot;bad&quot; as Marvel is, DC is worse. For example, the first part of the Rucka/Williams Batwoman story is wrapping up in December and I just saw that the hardcover is planned for June! Much, much too late! I doubt the softcover will come out until a year later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted that as &#8220;bad&#8221; as Marvel is, DC is worse. For example, the first part of the Rucka/Williams Batwoman story is wrapping up in December and I just saw that the hardcover is planned for June! Much, much too late! I doubt the softcover will come out until a year later.</p>
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		<title>By: THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Publishing news and notes: ONE PIECE is #1; Sevin Miles a Second; Comics AG</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113013</link>
		<dc:creator>THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Publishing news and notes: ONE PIECE is #1; Sevin Miles a Second; Comics AG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In his always scorching liveblogging of Previews Chris Butcher mentions the amazing Seven Miles A Second by David Wojnarowicz and James Romberger, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MichaelJ</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113008</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe the Barbarian sounds awesome, I&#039;ll check it out when I get home for the holidays :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe the Barbarian sounds awesome, I&#8217;ll check it out when I get home for the holidays :D</p>
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		<title>By: Brian J.</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-113006</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Marvel!

What Chris said about the HC before SC thing.  You&#039;re definitely losing my business with such a silly approach - I&#039;ve lost interest in a number of series waiting for the soft cover to come out.  

I&#039;d bet most fans are not demanding HCs.

Thanks,  

Brian J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Marvel!</p>
<p>What Chris said about the HC before SC thing.  You&#8217;re definitely losing my business with such a silly approach &#8211; I&#8217;ve lost interest in a number of series waiting for the soft cover to come out.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet most fans are not demanding HCs.</p>
<p>Thanks,  </p>
<p>Brian J.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-112994</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris- Oh yes absolutely you do. It&#039;s beautiful. Good, good stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris- Oh yes absolutely you do. It&#8217;s beautiful. Good, good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McLaren</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-112993</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McLaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, do I need MESMO DELIVERY? Because, you know, a retailer with even a little bit of pizzaz can probably overcome my horribly underdeveloped sales resistance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, do I need MESMO DELIVERY? Because, you know, a retailer with even a little bit of pizzaz can probably overcome my horribly underdeveloped sales resistance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-112992</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralf - Yeah, they really did have it perfect. My understanding is that they started doing those ridiculous 6-issue hardcovers due to fan demand, but I don&#039;t remember fans demanding that the hardcovers be the exclusive format for 3-6 months.

Dave - I stand by what I said. I really like Usagi, but it sells about a quarter of what it should because the lead character is a rabbit, and fights other animal characters. Blacksad is the only furry book I&#039;ve seen that non furries won&#039;t even blink at picking up. (Furries pick it up too).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralf &#8211; Yeah, they really did have it perfect. My understanding is that they started doing those ridiculous 6-issue hardcovers due to fan demand, but I don&#8217;t remember fans demanding that the hardcovers be the exclusive format for 3-6 months.</p>
<p>Dave &#8211; I stand by what I said. I really like Usagi, but it sells about a quarter of what it should because the lead character is a rabbit, and fights other animal characters. Blacksad is the only furry book I&#8217;ve seen that non furries won&#8217;t even blink at picking up. (Furries pick it up too).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Knott</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-112990</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Knott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;BLACKSAD, the only furry comic most “normal” comic fans aren’t embarrassed to have on their bookshelves.&lt;/i&gt;

*cough*&lt;b&gt;USAGI YOJIMBO&lt;/b&gt;*cough*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;BLACKSAD, the only furry comic most “normal” comic fans aren’t embarrassed to have on their bookshelves.</i></p>
<p>*cough*<b>USAGI YOJIMBO</b>*cough*</p>
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		<title>By: Ralf Haring</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/11/27/liveblogging-the-november-2009-previews-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-112989</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralf Haring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1000% agree on the hc-then-sc wait period. To my mind Marvel had it perfect a while back: near-immediate softcovers with no frills followed by oversized, longer hardcovers when a series warranted deluxe treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1000% agree on the hc-then-sc wait period. To my mind Marvel had it perfect a while back: near-immediate softcovers with no frills followed by oversized, longer hardcovers when a series warranted deluxe treatment.</p>
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