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		<title>By: Comic Book Links For Tuesday, December 22nd&#124;Comic Book Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comic Book Links For Tuesday, December 22nd&#124;Comic Book Daily</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Butcher examines Dave Sims recent decision to go Print-On-Demand, and see what it&#8217;s repercussions could [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Now is the time for experiments &#171; Solipsistic Pop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Now is the time for experiments &#171; Solipsistic Pop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 12:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] main book through a POD service I tend to agree with The Beguiling retailer Chris Butcher that POD digital printing tends to offer sub-standard printing when it comes to image-reliant [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ComicCritics.com : A webcomic about comics &#187; Archive &#187; Critical Links – Sim to PoD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComicCritics.com : A webcomic about comics &#187; Archive &#187; Critical Links – Sim to PoD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Butcher gives a retailer&#8217;s perspective on Print on Demand comics after Dave Sim announces that some of his books will be released through ComiXpress. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Chihak</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/12/21/p-o-d-affordable-backlist/comment-page-1/#comment-113320</link>
		<dc:creator>John Chihak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here Here Dave!I plan on staying POD and web press-free until it&#039;s really time. I have a small following and I also am lucky to have a printer who really knows what he is doing. Like I said before to a lot of the web press pro-ponnents; sitting on 800-1,000 copies of your book for years is really bad business. You gotta take in shipping, condition of the books, color bleed, fading, the crumble factor of the paper and then there&#039;s the inventory taxes you have to pay. Assuming you pay them. But I am so small press, I am really under the radar, and I can&#039;t afford to shell out a grand or more for guaranteed #&#039;s for years to come. I take 15-30 copies of each issue to each con, and hope for the best. And I keep in print what I need to sell at local shops here in town. And I have never heard a complaint about the quality of the books. I&#039;ve heard the art is improving, but nothing negative about the print job itself.
And I intend to stay print on demand for the graphic novel release of Fuzzyface later this year when it debuts at Phoenix Cactus ComiCon. 
Dave you should show up. issue one of Youth in Asia (also a book I do) has a familiar face in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here Here Dave!I plan on staying POD and web press-free until it&#8217;s really time. I have a small following and I also am lucky to have a printer who really knows what he is doing. Like I said before to a lot of the web press pro-ponnents; sitting on 800-1,000 copies of your book for years is really bad business. You gotta take in shipping, condition of the books, color bleed, fading, the crumble factor of the paper and then there&#8217;s the inventory taxes you have to pay. Assuming you pay them. But I am so small press, I am really under the radar, and I can&#8217;t afford to shell out a grand or more for guaranteed #&#8217;s for years to come. I take 15-30 copies of each issue to each con, and hope for the best. And I keep in print what I need to sell at local shops here in town. And I have never heard a complaint about the quality of the books. I&#8217;ve heard the art is improving, but nothing negative about the print job itself.<br />
And I intend to stay print on demand for the graphic novel release of Fuzzyface later this year when it debuts at Phoenix Cactus ComiCon.<br />
Dave you should show up. issue one of Youth in Asia (also a book I do) has a familiar face in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Kosmicki</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/12/21/p-o-d-affordable-backlist/comment-page-1/#comment-113319</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Kosmicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Dave Sim - the man who has refused to print the Cerebus phonebooks on better paper for a long time now. I was re-reading my copies of High Society - which are at least 15 years old now and probably older, and they are crumbling - it&#039;s cheap, cheap paper. Say what one will about where Sim has ended up, but I want a nice copy of the Cerebus story on nice paper - doesn&#039;t have to be hardcover, but one that I can read for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Dave Sim &#8211; the man who has refused to print the Cerebus phonebooks on better paper for a long time now. I was re-reading my copies of High Society &#8211; which are at least 15 years old now and probably older, and they are crumbling &#8211; it&#8217;s cheap, cheap paper. Say what one will about where Sim has ended up, but I want a nice copy of the Cerebus story on nice paper &#8211; doesn&#8217;t have to be hardcover, but one that I can read for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve MacIsaac</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/12/21/p-o-d-affordable-backlist/comment-page-1/#comment-113301</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve MacIsaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Chris. I wish print on demand looked better than it does, because it WOULD make life easier for self-publishers. But I think that if you&#039;re going to bother to print something on paper, it needs to look as good as possible - not just good enough - and the quality of print on demand, while better than it used to be, just isn&#039;t there yet. The blacks and the line work aren&#039;t as crisp, and color is a) too expensive and b) just too bright and shiny. POD color books all to often remind me of those baxter paper comics from the early 80s, the colors just look wrong more often than not. Which is too bad, because as a self-publisher I do wind up printing more copies than I can use in the short term.

POD does seem like a good option for keeping things in print. SHIRTLIFTER #1 has been out of print for about a year, and I&#039;ve thought about doing the same thing that Dave Sim has with Glamorpuss. But when retailers and fans don&#039;t have the first one as an option to purchase, they&#039;re less likely to order #2 or #3. So print is still important in terms of maintaining a backlist, which is why  I&#039;m going to do a second printing of SHIRLIFTER #1 in the new year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Chris. I wish print on demand looked better than it does, because it WOULD make life easier for self-publishers. But I think that if you&#8217;re going to bother to print something on paper, it needs to look as good as possible &#8211; not just good enough &#8211; and the quality of print on demand, while better than it used to be, just isn&#8217;t there yet. The blacks and the line work aren&#8217;t as crisp, and color is a) too expensive and b) just too bright and shiny. POD color books all to often remind me of those baxter paper comics from the early 80s, the colors just look wrong more often than not. Which is too bad, because as a self-publisher I do wind up printing more copies than I can use in the short term.</p>
<p>POD does seem like a good option for keeping things in print. SHIRTLIFTER #1 has been out of print for about a year, and I&#8217;ve thought about doing the same thing that Dave Sim has with Glamorpuss. But when retailers and fans don&#8217;t have the first one as an option to purchase, they&#8217;re less likely to order #2 or #3. So print is still important in terms of maintaining a backlist, which is why  I&#8217;m going to do a second printing of SHIRLIFTER #1 in the new year.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Gavila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Gavila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant &quot;Kirby and Ditko&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Gavila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Gavila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A comparison of offset printing to POD is like a comparison of a nice deck chair on the Titanic versus a dry spot on a life raft, respectively.  Furthermore, the Diamond playing field--the major reason to go to print on comics--is so closed, to the detriment of the art form, that all creators should embrace &lt;i&gt;any model&lt;/i&gt; except that one.  POD is the non-Diamond choice.  The iReader by Apple--it almost exists, and is due to exist by March--will hopefully improve opportunities for all creators, establish or new.  And let us hope that the profit sharing model seen in iPhone application programming is extended to their iReader.  Then we will see 70% go the publisher instead of the distributor.

It&#039;s time for creators everywhere to celebrate.  Very soon, we can see an end to the era that even Stan Lee cited as sorely lacking in newcomers to challenge the established giants, as he himself did with Kirby and Lee forty-five years earlier.  The sooner that creators move to the &#039;non-Diamond&#039; choice--POD or iReader--the sooner they can be unshackled from the oppressive chains of the Diamond Monopoly.

Robert Gavila</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A comparison of offset printing to POD is like a comparison of a nice deck chair on the Titanic versus a dry spot on a life raft, respectively.  Furthermore, the Diamond playing field&#8211;the major reason to go to print on comics&#8211;is so closed, to the detriment of the art form, that all creators should embrace <i>any model</i> except that one.  POD is the non-Diamond choice.  The iReader by Apple&#8211;it almost exists, and is due to exist by March&#8211;will hopefully improve opportunities for all creators, establish or new.  And let us hope that the profit sharing model seen in iPhone application programming is extended to their iReader.  Then we will see 70% go the publisher instead of the distributor.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for creators everywhere to celebrate.  Very soon, we can see an end to the era that even Stan Lee cited as sorely lacking in newcomers to challenge the established giants, as he himself did with Kirby and Lee forty-five years earlier.  The sooner that creators move to the &#8216;non-Diamond&#8217; choice&#8211;POD or iReader&#8211;the sooner they can be unshackled from the oppressive chains of the Diamond Monopoly.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I don’t think it’s an inevitability at all.

Lightning Source works from 600-dpi bitmaps, and outputs grayscale at 106 lpi.  On paper, that&#039;s not far at all from web offset.

In Japan, a lot of digitally produced manga is being toned and output at 600 dpi.  This may seem way too low, but the screens used in programs like Comic Studio are optimized for that resolution; they don&#039;t create moire patterns, and look great in print.  (Ironically, since our books are not standard ISO size and we have to modify the pages, we upscale such files to 1200~2400 dpi with diffusion dither as not to affect quality.)  If a comic were produced from the outset with consideration for POD specs, we wouldn&#039;t see as much pixelation/moire problems, if any.

But when we talk about POD, it isn&#039;t really just the quality of the product, but the whole distribution process, isn&#039;t it?  Even here, scale matters, just as it does in offset.  A lot of doujinshi in Japan are produced on digital presses, look comparable to offset, and they have an economy where low-run books can be reasonably priced.  So the POD model isn&#039;t impossible, we just have hurdles that are exclusive to our situation.  They are numerous, but not insurmountable.  I will agree with you that POD will likely never replace offset for publishers, but it&#039;s viability as a publishing platform for individuals has been steadily improving.  I don&#039;t think POD is running out of time.  Rather, it may be publishers and distributors.

&gt;Not with so many competing technologies and a move away from print, in general…

I think it&#039;s important to make a distinction between books as a medium, and printing as a technology.  The fate of books is very much up in the air, but there will still be a need for printing for a long time to come, so the technology will continue to improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I don’t think it’s an inevitability at all.</p>
<p>Lightning Source works from 600-dpi bitmaps, and outputs grayscale at 106 lpi.  On paper, that&#8217;s not far at all from web offset.</p>
<p>In Japan, a lot of digitally produced manga is being toned and output at 600 dpi.  This may seem way too low, but the screens used in programs like Comic Studio are optimized for that resolution; they don&#8217;t create moire patterns, and look great in print.  (Ironically, since our books are not standard ISO size and we have to modify the pages, we upscale such files to 1200~2400 dpi with diffusion dither as not to affect quality.)  If a comic were produced from the outset with consideration for POD specs, we wouldn&#8217;t see as much pixelation/moire problems, if any.</p>
<p>But when we talk about POD, it isn&#8217;t really just the quality of the product, but the whole distribution process, isn&#8217;t it?  Even here, scale matters, just as it does in offset.  A lot of doujinshi in Japan are produced on digital presses, look comparable to offset, and they have an economy where low-run books can be reasonably priced.  So the POD model isn&#8217;t impossible, we just have hurdles that are exclusive to our situation.  They are numerous, but not insurmountable.  I will agree with you that POD will likely never replace offset for publishers, but it&#8217;s viability as a publishing platform for individuals has been steadily improving.  I don&#8217;t think POD is running out of time.  Rather, it may be publishers and distributors.</p>
<p>&gt;Not with so many competing technologies and a move away from print, in general…</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to make a distinction between books as a medium, and printing as a technology.  The fate of books is very much up in the air, but there will still be a need for printing for a long time to come, so the technology will continue to improve.</p>
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		<title>By: David Boller</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Boller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and well worth looking into for any webcomics and small press creator. Agreed on the profitability. Our first book Bakuba was supposed to be POD but got got such a good response that we&#039;ll be doing 1000 copies offset. It makes sense.
However, let me give you a viewpoint from the other side of the Atlantic. The new digital printing machines they have here in Switzerland (mostly the newer Oces and the Indigos)are so awesome that one can simply not tell the difference. There is a magazine here called Publisher (I know it&#039;s in German but well worth looking at:http://www.publisher.ch) that focuses on the innovations in the digital printing market. Each issue has a cover that has been produced digitally (despite its 9000 print run) to showcase what wild and crazy stunts digital printers are capable of these days. From seven color printing on foils and metallic surfaces to rippled textures. It&#039;s pretty amazing. We&#039;ll be doing some test copies of Bakuba with a digital printer next month and we were reassured that it will be indistinguishable from an offset run. I&#039;m confident that they&#039;ll pull it off, considering a major literary publisher uses them too and sells the books in stores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and well worth looking into for any webcomics and small press creator. Agreed on the profitability. Our first book Bakuba was supposed to be POD but got got such a good response that we&#8217;ll be doing 1000 copies offset. It makes sense.<br />
However, let me give you a viewpoint from the other side of the Atlantic. The new digital printing machines they have here in Switzerland (mostly the newer Oces and the Indigos)are so awesome that one can simply not tell the difference. There is a magazine here called Publisher (I know it&#8217;s in German but well worth looking at:<a href="http://www.publisher.ch" rel="nofollow">http://www.publisher.ch</a>) that focuses on the innovations in the digital printing market. Each issue has a cover that has been produced digitally (despite its 9000 print run) to showcase what wild and crazy stunts digital printers are capable of these days. From seven color printing on foils and metallic surfaces to rippled textures. It&#8217;s pretty amazing. We&#8217;ll be doing some test copies of Bakuba with a digital printer next month and we were reassured that it will be indistinguishable from an offset run. I&#8217;m confident that they&#8217;ll pull it off, considering a major literary publisher uses them too and sells the books in stores.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Dunford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Dunford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The quality of the local POD service I used for a rush on the first issue of Hard Drive was pretty decent, but definitely expensive enough not to be worth repeating.  

The big POD vs. offset decision is really determined by scale of operations, as Chris said.  Commitment to an indy project that is hand-distributed is a massive undertaking that usually doesn&#039;t break even. 

Think about it:  If Sim can&#039;t (or won&#039;t) reissue Cerebus through a major offset printer, odds are it has to do with lack of demand.  

So POD may not be superior quality, but for the small fish or for &quot;vanity&quot; projects, it may be the best bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quality of the local POD service I used for a rush on the first issue of Hard Drive was pretty decent, but definitely expensive enough not to be worth repeating.  </p>
<p>The big POD vs. offset decision is really determined by scale of operations, as Chris said.  Commitment to an indy project that is hand-distributed is a massive undertaking that usually doesn&#8217;t break even. </p>
<p>Think about it:  If Sim can&#8217;t (or won&#8217;t) reissue Cerebus through a major offset printer, odds are it has to do with lack of demand.  </p>
<p>So POD may not be superior quality, but for the small fish or for &#8220;vanity&#8221; projects, it may be the best bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing your experience, Tara! Good luck finding space. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating comment Simon, but I don&#039;t know if I agree with this: &quot;But my opposition is quite like yours… the gap between quality and price is just too wide. However, we all know overcoming these hurdles is an inevitability.&quot; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s an inevitability at all. I do think standards are relaxing a bit when it comes to what constitutes a &#039;professional&#039; quality print job, and like I said, I&#039;ve seen some surprisingly good POD out there, but inevitable? Not with so many competing technologies and a move away from print, in general...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating comment Simon, but I don&#8217;t know if I agree with this: &#8220;But my opposition is quite like yours… the gap between quality and price is just too wide. However, we all know overcoming these hurdles is an inevitability.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s an inevitability at all. I do think standards are relaxing a bit when it comes to what constitutes a &#8216;professional&#8217; quality print job, and like I said, I&#8217;ve seen some surprisingly good POD out there, but inevitable? Not with so many competing technologies and a move away from print, in general&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, but part of good business sense is judging the audience--and potential audience--for a project. If you&#039;ve bought 3 digital print runs totalling 900 copies in 2 months, you ought to have printed offset off the bat. Further, you should strongly consider going offset on your next run. It depends on, as I mentioned in the post, whether this is a commercial endeavour or more about &#039;getting your work out there&#039; and not losing too much money doing it. If it&#039;s the latter, I&#039;d heartily recommend the internet instead of sinking any money into printing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, but part of good business sense is judging the audience&#8211;and potential audience&#8211;for a project. If you&#8217;ve bought 3 digital print runs totalling 900 copies in 2 months, you ought to have printed offset off the bat. Further, you should strongly consider going offset on your next run. It depends on, as I mentioned in the post, whether this is a commercial endeavour or more about &#8216;getting your work out there&#8217; and not losing too much money doing it. If it&#8217;s the latter, I&#8217;d heartily recommend the internet instead of sinking any money into printing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Gertler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat Gertler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For $300 more they could’ve printed 3 times as many, AND made more on every book they sold.&quot;

They only make more if they sell more copies. If they sell exactly as many of the offset book as they have of the POD book, then they would&#039;ve made $300 less going this offset route (not counting any costs to ship and store those thousands of extra books.)

This is not an insignificant difference in viewpoint. Many a new publisher (my self included, back in the day) sees the low marginal printing costs of offset printing, and sets a print run of their first publication way too high.

Print On Demand is, at best, a poor way of making money. But it can be an excellent way of avoiding losing money... with that difference becoming more pronounced when we start talking about color printing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For $300 more they could’ve printed 3 times as many, AND made more on every book they sold.&#8221;</p>
<p>They only make more if they sell more copies. If they sell exactly as many of the offset book as they have of the POD book, then they would&#8217;ve made $300 less going this offset route (not counting any costs to ship and store those thousands of extra books.)</p>
<p>This is not an insignificant difference in viewpoint. Many a new publisher (my self included, back in the day) sees the low marginal printing costs of offset printing, and sets a print run of their first publication way too high.</p>
<p>Print On Demand is, at best, a poor way of making money. But it can be an excellent way of avoiding losing money&#8230; with that difference becoming more pronounced when we start talking about color printing.</p>
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		<title>By: Comic Book Links For Tuesday, December 22nd &#171; Comic Book Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comic Book Links For Tuesday, December 22nd &#171; Comic Book Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Butcher examines Dave Sims recent decision to go Print-On-Demand, and see what it&#8217;s repercussions could be.     Share and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A very quick web roundup</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A very quick web roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Butcher is doing some serious Christmas blogging, starting with a look at POD. Most of the post is taken up with the technical objections to POD and a look at how some projects [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/12/21/p-o-d-affordable-backlist/comment-page-1/#comment-113261</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never looked down on POD, or thought less of artists and publishers who use them.  But my opposition is quite like yours... the gap between quality and price is just too wide.  However, we all know overcoming these hurdles is an inevitability.  In fact, many quality-related issues that persist in current POD comics are actually man-made, not the result of hardware limitations; inexperienced printers that ask for hi-res bitmap pages to be down-sampled to 300 grayscale, or artists who don&#039;t level their grayscale images properly to compensate for ink spread, for example.  These problems occasionally manifest themselves in offset products as well.

DriveThru Comics is preparing a POD service of its own, and what has really excited me about it, enough for me to take part in their trial (and it&#039;s completely to satisfy my curiosity about output quality and optimizing images for POD; it has nothing to do with us ending our print magazine) is that they are partnering with Lightning Source for production, and LS actually seems to know how to handle hi-res graphics.  Once I have a test print, expect a very close inspection...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never looked down on POD, or thought less of artists and publishers who use them.  But my opposition is quite like yours&#8230; the gap between quality and price is just too wide.  However, we all know overcoming these hurdles is an inevitability.  In fact, many quality-related issues that persist in current POD comics are actually man-made, not the result of hardware limitations; inexperienced printers that ask for hi-res bitmap pages to be down-sampled to 300 grayscale, or artists who don&#8217;t level their grayscale images properly to compensate for ink spread, for example.  These problems occasionally manifest themselves in offset products as well.</p>
<p>DriveThru Comics is preparing a POD service of its own, and what has really excited me about it, enough for me to take part in their trial (and it&#8217;s completely to satisfy my curiosity about output quality and optimizing images for POD; it has nothing to do with us ending our print magazine) is that they are partnering with Lightning Source for production, and LS actually seems to know how to handle hi-res graphics.  Once I have a test print, expect a very close inspection&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tara Tallan</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/12/21/p-o-d-affordable-backlist/comment-page-1/#comment-113260</link>
		<dc:creator>Tara Tallan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the decision to avoid offset for my initial print run was due to lack of storage space. I&#039;ve still got dozens of boxes of issues and books in my basement from my self-publishing adventures in the &#039;90s. Where would I put another 1000 copies? From my own experience with POD (from Lightning Source) I will agree that the quality of the printing was hit or miss, but the unit cost for my b/w book was actually quite reasonable compared to offset costs. In 1998, my 168 page b/w book cost me close to $5/unit to print offset (I did pay extra for a nice embossed foil title on the cover). In 2009, my 144 page b/w book cost around $3/unit to print POD. 

Having said that, though, I&#039;ll be moving to offset for my next printing. I want that higher quality, and I&#039;ll just have to find room in my basement somehow. But I&#039;m still very glad I chose to do a small POD order for my first print run. After having seen how quickly I moved 250 copies, I feel much more confident that I can sell 1000 copies now. Also, this was our first experience sending digital files to a printer, and we inevitably made a few small mistakes. Now we have a chance to fix &#039;em! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the decision to avoid offset for my initial print run was due to lack of storage space. I&#8217;ve still got dozens of boxes of issues and books in my basement from my self-publishing adventures in the &#8217;90s. Where would I put another 1000 copies? From my own experience with POD (from Lightning Source) I will agree that the quality of the printing was hit or miss, but the unit cost for my b/w book was actually quite reasonable compared to offset costs. In 1998, my 168 page b/w book cost me close to $5/unit to print offset (I did pay extra for a nice embossed foil title on the cover). In 2009, my 144 page b/w book cost around $3/unit to print POD. </p>
<p>Having said that, though, I&#8217;ll be moving to offset for my next printing. I want that higher quality, and I&#8217;ll just have to find room in my basement somehow. But I&#8217;m still very glad I chose to do a small POD order for my first print run. After having seen how quickly I moved 250 copies, I feel much more confident that I can sell 1000 copies now. Also, this was our first experience sending digital files to a printer, and we inevitably made a few small mistakes. Now we have a chance to fix &#8216;em! :-)</p>
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		<title>By: John Chihak</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/12/21/p-o-d-affordable-backlist/comment-page-1/#comment-113259</link>
		<dc:creator>John Chihak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I have seen of some POD&#039;s is pretty good stuff. Firstly, there is not (ie probably not) anyone out there doing true small press comics that can afford to print offset. I went to school for graphic design and animation so I know about the difference in printing quality. It also has A LOT to do with the paper being used, as well as the machinery. 
POD is a perfect way for the little guy to even come close to competing with the big four. It&#039;s not simply a matter or skirting copyrights or not making enough pre-orders for Diamond. There are those of us (myself especially) who never want to be in Diamond&#039;s Previews. I don&#039;t ever wish to contribute to their monopoly and abuse of the comic book art form. Some of us are also only interested in printing enough for our friends and family. We only need enough copies to submit to retailers, or to try and pitch ideas to movie studios. To go off set for a dozen copies is both ridiculous financially and environmentally. 
There is a lot more at stake than just money and what some people term as &quot;quality.&quot; Digital printing, when done by a knowledgeable printer is both effective and timely. Most off set printers run overnight when they run smaller jobs for self publishers, understanding quality control on an off set printer is really tough and a novice can easily be taken advantage of by the printer and printing company. Conversely quality control with a digital printer is a lot easier, as colors can easily be adjusted and levels can be changed without having to do a whole new run.
The argument is not as simple or as black and white as a lot of people would have some believe. There&#039;s a lot of politics involved as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I have seen of some POD&#8217;s is pretty good stuff. Firstly, there is not (ie probably not) anyone out there doing true small press comics that can afford to print offset. I went to school for graphic design and animation so I know about the difference in printing quality. It also has A LOT to do with the paper being used, as well as the machinery.<br />
POD is a perfect way for the little guy to even come close to competing with the big four. It&#8217;s not simply a matter or skirting copyrights or not making enough pre-orders for Diamond. There are those of us (myself especially) who never want to be in Diamond&#8217;s Previews. I don&#8217;t ever wish to contribute to their monopoly and abuse of the comic book art form. Some of us are also only interested in printing enough for our friends and family. We only need enough copies to submit to retailers, or to try and pitch ideas to movie studios. To go off set for a dozen copies is both ridiculous financially and environmentally.<br />
There is a lot more at stake than just money and what some people term as &#8220;quality.&#8221; Digital printing, when done by a knowledgeable printer is both effective and timely. Most off set printers run overnight when they run smaller jobs for self publishers, understanding quality control on an off set printer is really tough and a novice can easily be taken advantage of by the printer and printing company. Conversely quality control with a digital printer is a lot easier, as colors can easily be adjusted and levels can be changed without having to do a whole new run.<br />
The argument is not as simple or as black and white as a lot of people would have some believe. There&#8217;s a lot of politics involved as well.</p>
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		<title>By: BookWhirl.com</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/12/21/p-o-d-affordable-backlist/comment-page-1/#comment-113258</link>
		<dc:creator>BookWhirl.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the writer must first consider the type of his audience before he decides on the kind of print. For example, if you&#039;re target readers are teens, a vectorized and glossy print will likely catch their attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the writer must first consider the type of his audience before he decides on the kind of print. For example, if you&#8217;re target readers are teens, a vectorized and glossy print will likely catch their attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Steely Dan</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2009/12/21/p-o-d-affordable-backlist/comment-page-1/#comment-113254</link>
		<dc:creator>Steely Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all POD is created equally. I&#039;ve used Amazon&#039;s Createspace POD service and was very pleasantly surprised by the results. The book I had printed was full-color, vector artwork, printed on professional quality uncoated paper with coated paper for the cover. It was comparable in quality to a softcover children&#039;s picture book printed offset. None of the waxy shininess that you&#039;re describing (and that most people are familiar with when they think of POD).

I don&#039;t work for Amazon and don&#039;t own any stock in the company. I just had a good experience with their POD and got a much, much better than expected product from their service. POD done right can be quite good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all POD is created equally. I&#8217;ve used Amazon&#8217;s Createspace POD service and was very pleasantly surprised by the results. The book I had printed was full-color, vector artwork, printed on professional quality uncoated paper with coated paper for the cover. It was comparable in quality to a softcover children&#8217;s picture book printed offset. None of the waxy shininess that you&#8217;re describing (and that most people are familiar with when they think of POD).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t work for Amazon and don&#8217;t own any stock in the company. I just had a good experience with their POD and got a much, much better than expected product from their service. POD done right can be quite good.</p>
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		<title>By: Bitter Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitter Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, I suspect that the technology for quality digital printing is &quot;there,&quot; though it isn&#039;t being used consistently yet.

I remember commercial printers that I worked with more than five years ago offering &quot;digital offset&quot; printing that came pretty close to their regular offset color printing; this wasn&#039;t superpremium, Fortune 500 annual report level quality in either case, but still very reasonable. And while my design work in recent years has drifted away from the offset printing realm, I feel safe guessing that digital print quality has advanced further still.

As for print-on-demand, I did buy my first POD book recently, from Lulu, and I was generally impressed by the quality. Admittedly it was black and white, and the scanned art was rough due to a 300 dpi resolution limit... but since the type was perfectly crisp and sharp, I assume that the printing process itself is capable of better art quality and that there&#039;s some other factor involved, which hopefully they sort out in the relatively near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I suspect that the technology for quality digital printing is &#8220;there,&#8221; though it isn&#8217;t being used consistently yet.</p>
<p>I remember commercial printers that I worked with more than five years ago offering &#8220;digital offset&#8221; printing that came pretty close to their regular offset color printing; this wasn&#8217;t superpremium, Fortune 500 annual report level quality in either case, but still very reasonable. And while my design work in recent years has drifted away from the offset printing realm, I feel safe guessing that digital print quality has advanced further still.</p>
<p>As for print-on-demand, I did buy my first POD book recently, from Lulu, and I was generally impressed by the quality. Admittedly it was black and white, and the scanned art was rough due to a 300 dpi resolution limit&#8230; but since the type was perfectly crisp and sharp, I assume that the printing process itself is capable of better art quality and that there&#8217;s some other factor involved, which hopefully they sort out in the relatively near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Trebbers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trebbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$1200?! Jesus, at like 7-800 it seems it&#039;d make more sense to buy an cheapish color laser printer, yeah? It&#039;s more of a compromise quality wise, but for a printer you can source cheap consumables for, the avg. ppp should be lower. Even after that you can still resell/keep using your nice new(ish) printer. 

Putting books together mini-comic style is a pain, but for the low print runs you&#039;re talking, I&#039;d hope the time stapling books would be trivial compared to the creation of the work itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$1200?! Jesus, at like 7-800 it seems it&#8217;d make more sense to buy an cheapish color laser printer, yeah? It&#8217;s more of a compromise quality wise, but for a printer you can source cheap consumables for, the avg. ppp should be lower. Even after that you can still resell/keep using your nice new(ish) printer. </p>
<p>Putting books together mini-comic style is a pain, but for the low print runs you&#8217;re talking, I&#8217;d hope the time stapling books would be trivial compared to the creation of the work itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Anyone particularly concerned with quality or ‘real book feel’ can track down one of the original prints&quot; 

Only if they know there&#039;s even a difference. Are the Glamourpuss back issues being labeled as first and second prints, depending on source? 

Great post! Lots of things to think about. I&#039;d be curious to hear you talk about how this strategy works with/against the idea that the collection is the preferred long-term reprint method. Is POD just a temporary gap-filler until there are enough back issues to make a book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Anyone particularly concerned with quality or ‘real book feel’ can track down one of the original prints&#8221; </p>
<p>Only if they know there&#8217;s even a difference. Are the Glamourpuss back issues being labeled as first and second prints, depending on source? </p>
<p>Great post! Lots of things to think about. I&#8217;d be curious to hear you talk about how this strategy works with/against the idea that the collection is the preferred long-term reprint method. Is POD just a temporary gap-filler until there are enough back issues to make a book?</p>
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