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		<title>By: Shaenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh... terms like &quot;yaoi&quot; and &quot;Boys&#039; Love&quot; are publishing categories, not labels meant to suggest strictly defined content or levels of gay-friendliness.  Hell, there are gay men who find yaoi/BL offensive in general because they&#039;re basically fap material for straight girls, just as some lesbians are offended by yuri and &quot;lipstick lesbians&quot; on TV.  I think it&#039;s great that a lot of readers, myself included, read BL as a way of embracing and exploring gay rights and issues, but, let&#039;s face it, that&#039;s not what it&#039;s fundamentally about.

Techinically, Antique Bakery is not a yaoi, as the term traditionally refers to doujinshi.  However, I would say it definitely qualifies as a BL title.  It ran in Wings, a mainstream (if nerdy) shojo magazine known for publishing tons of BL-themed manga.  Although only two of the leads are gay, the homoeroticism between all the male characters is a big part of the manga&#039;s appeal.  Yoshinaga pokes fun at this in her own doujinshi, when she has women visit the bakery and speculate lewdly on the guys&#039; relationships.

The manga wouldn&#039;t exist if it didn&#039;t have hot guys constantly threatening to make out with each other.  There&#039;s more going on, of course, because Fumi Yoshinaga is a genius, but come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh&#8230; terms like &#8220;yaoi&#8221; and &#8220;Boys&#8217; Love&#8221; are publishing categories, not labels meant to suggest strictly defined content or levels of gay-friendliness.  Hell, there are gay men who find yaoi/BL offensive in general because they&#8217;re basically fap material for straight girls, just as some lesbians are offended by yuri and &#8220;lipstick lesbians&#8221; on TV.  I think it&#8217;s great that a lot of readers, myself included, read BL as a way of embracing and exploring gay rights and issues, but, let&#8217;s face it, that&#8217;s not what it&#8217;s fundamentally about.</p>
<p>Techinically, Antique Bakery is not a yaoi, as the term traditionally refers to doujinshi.  However, I would say it definitely qualifies as a BL title.  It ran in Wings, a mainstream (if nerdy) shojo magazine known for publishing tons of BL-themed manga.  Although only two of the leads are gay, the homoeroticism between all the male characters is a big part of the manga&#8217;s appeal.  Yoshinaga pokes fun at this in her own doujinshi, when she has women visit the bakery and speculate lewdly on the guys&#8217; relationships.</p>
<p>The manga wouldn&#8217;t exist if it didn&#8217;t have hot guys constantly threatening to make out with each other.  There&#8217;s more going on, of course, because Fumi Yoshinaga is a genius, but come on.</p>
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		<title>By: thevampirekaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>thevampirekaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pippin4242 and Chris, stop fighting. It&#039;s just a manga, I like it too but it&#039;s nothing to get upset about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pippin4242 and Chris, stop fighting. It&#8217;s just a manga, I like it too but it&#8217;s nothing to get upset about.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 09:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve edited my comment so as not to &#039;out&#039; you, which I find ridiculous but then I suppose I would, not having a stupid email address myself. If you don&#039;t want to be known by your email address for being gay, get another one. Haven&#039;t you been closeted long enough to figure that out? 

As for prejudging you based on your having a stupid e-mail address and saying, frankly, stupid things, well, that&#039;s the internet for you.

I&#039;m really sorry that the world is unfair and you have a shitty relationship with your mom, but that has no baring on this discussion.  The grown-ups can read the part where I conceded in my piece that it isn&#039;t yaoi, it&#039;s the weeaboos that stopped reading after the first paragraph and hit the comment section.

Finally, if you want to be an LGBT person offended by the blanket use of a term, you&#039;re welcome to your offense, somewhere else. This isn&#039;t that kind of blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve edited my comment so as not to &#8216;out&#8217; you, which I find ridiculous but then I suppose I would, not having a stupid email address myself. If you don&#8217;t want to be known by your email address for being gay, get another one. Haven&#8217;t you been closeted long enough to figure that out? </p>
<p>As for prejudging you based on your having a stupid e-mail address and saying, frankly, stupid things, well, that&#8217;s the internet for you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really sorry that the world is unfair and you have a shitty relationship with your mom, but that has no baring on this discussion.  The grown-ups can read the part where I conceded in my piece that it isn&#8217;t yaoi, it&#8217;s the weeaboos that stopped reading after the first paragraph and hit the comment section.</p>
<p>Finally, if you want to be an LGBT person offended by the blanket use of a term, you&#8217;re welcome to your offense, somewhere else. This isn&#8217;t that kind of blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippin4242</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113869</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippin4242</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, just a personal e-mail address I&#039;ve had since I was twelve and thought that kind of thing was funny. Thanks a lot for prejudging me based on something so ridiculously petty. &gt;.&gt;
Anyway, I&#039;m aware it&#039;s from the same semantic field, as it were. And that it might flag as &#039;gay interest&#039;. But seriously, a series where no actual gay activity takes place, beyond some exceedingly and intentionally cheesy dancing in the rain, and one character very, very confusedly buying flowers for another? This is not about weaboo definitions. I happened to read your article in the same week that Stonewall published its findings on the positive portrayal of gay characters on the BBC, which is supposedly a progressive organisation. Six minutes in one hundred and sixty-eight hours of programming. And my mother has the gall to complain to me, of all people, that lesbians are ruining popular entertainment by &quot;being on everything&quot;.
And hey, thanks for publishing the majority of my rather distinctive e-mail address. Now anybody who DOESN&#039;T know that I&#039;m Pippin4242 (and hence, probably, doesn&#039;t know about my sexuality) and happens across this, will have you tell them! Fantastic! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, just a personal e-mail address I&#8217;ve had since I was twelve and thought that kind of thing was funny. Thanks a lot for prejudging me based on something so ridiculously petty. &gt;.&gt;<br />
Anyway, I&#8217;m aware it&#8217;s from the same semantic field, as it were. And that it might flag as &#8216;gay interest&#8217;. But seriously, a series where no actual gay activity takes place, beyond some exceedingly and intentionally cheesy dancing in the rain, and one character very, very confusedly buying flowers for another? This is not about weaboo definitions. I happened to read your article in the same week that Stonewall published its findings on the positive portrayal of gay characters on the BBC, which is supposedly a progressive organisation. Six minutes in one hundred and sixty-eight hours of programming. And my mother has the gall to complain to me, of all people, that lesbians are ruining popular entertainment by &#8220;being on everything&#8221;.<br />
And hey, thanks for publishing the majority of my rather distinctive e-mail address. Now anybody who DOESN&#8217;T know that I&#8217;m Pippin4242 (and hence, probably, doesn&#8217;t know about my sexuality) and happens across this, will have you tell them! Fantastic! :D</p>
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		<title>By: Pippin4242</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pippin4242</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member of the LGBT community, I&#039;d like to categorically state that I also find the umbrella descrpition offensive. So it has a (relatively) positively portrayed gay character? That makes it a gay book? That&#039;s like calling a manga where a character dies off-screen in a car accident guro. [Editor&#039;s Note: No, it doesn&#039;t, you weeaboo. Also, your email address describes you as unable to deal with reality, and yet you still insist on trying to make points online? Cognitive dissonance or just a jackass?&quot;]

It&#039;s a great series. It&#039;s also so explicitly non-yaoi (publisher constraints? Personal interest in creating her first entirely non-BL series? The stuff she&#039;s created since has been gen) that Fumi Yoshinaga created &lt;i&gt;her own doujin&lt;/i&gt; of the series, with semi-canon status. Now THEY are yaoi, yess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of the LGBT community, I&#8217;d like to categorically state that I also find the umbrella descrpition offensive. So it has a (relatively) positively portrayed gay character? That makes it a gay book? That&#8217;s like calling a manga where a character dies off-screen in a car accident guro. [Editor's Note: No, it doesn't, you weeaboo. Also, your email address describes you as unable to deal with reality, and yet you still insist on trying to make points online? Cognitive dissonance or just a jackass?"]</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great series. It&#8217;s also so explicitly non-yaoi (publisher constraints? Personal interest in creating her first entirely non-BL series? The stuff she&#8217;s created since has been gen) that Fumi Yoshinaga created <i>her own doujin</i> of the series, with semi-canon status. Now THEY are yaoi, yess.</p>
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		<title>By: *All My Darling Daughters &#8212; Recommended &#187; Manga Worth Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>*All My Darling Daughters &#8212; Recommended &#187; Manga Worth Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Yoshinaga is well-known in manga circles for her yaoi and yaoi-like titles. (Some are still arguing about what to call Antique Bakery, about a group of men who sell dessert, one of whom is gay.) Her [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Yoshinaga is well-known in manga circles for her yaoi and yaoi-like titles. (Some are still arguing about what to call Antique Bakery, about a group of men who sell dessert, one of whom is gay.) Her [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113653</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna- I&#039;m more excited about Natsume Ono&#039;s forthcoming onslaught of work than anything else this year. FWIW. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna- I&#8217;m more excited about Natsume Ono&#8217;s forthcoming onslaught of work than anything else this year. FWIW. :)</p>
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		<title>By: THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kibbles &#8216;n&#8217; Bits 1/12/10</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113652</link>
		<dc:creator>THE BEAT &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kibbles &#8216;n&#8217; Bits 1/12/10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Butcher&#8217;s Manga Milestones  continues with Yyaoi.shonen-ai/BL via Antique Bakery.  You may notice a bit of a chip on my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Comics A.M. &#124; The comics Internet in two minutes &#124; Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources &#8211; Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113651</link>
		<dc:creator>Comics A.M. &#124; The comics Internet in two minutes &#124; Robot 6 @ Comic Book Resources &#8211; Covering Comic Book News and Entertainment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Publishing &#124; Retailer and blogger Christopher Butcher continues his look at 10 manga milestones from the past decade that changed the comics industry. At No. 6, Digital Manga Publishing&#039;s release in 2005 of Antique Bakery, the first &quot;boys&#039; love&quot; title to make a splash in North America. [Comics212] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Publishing | Retailer and blogger Christopher Butcher continues his look at 10 manga milestones from the past decade that changed the comics industry. At No. 6, Digital Manga Publishing&#39;s release in 2005 of Antique Bakery, the first &quot;boys&#39; love&quot; title to make a splash in North America. [Comics212] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113636</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Johanna -wait till you get your hands on UnderGrand Hotel!  It&#039;ll change your views on prison, forever.  ^_-

~just playing.  Please avoid &#039;that&#039; title at all cost. I truly liked Red Blinds the Foolish by est em.  For plot driven GloBL, try Honeydew Syndrome by Autobrig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Johanna -wait till you get your hands on UnderGrand Hotel!  It&#8217;ll change your views on prison, forever.  ^_-</p>
<p>~just playing.  Please avoid &#8216;that&#8217; title at all cost. I truly liked Red Blinds the Foolish by est em.  For plot driven GloBL, try Honeydew Syndrome by Autobrig.</p>
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		<title>By: JRB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johanna: some other good, non-standard yaoi that&#039;s woth checking out if you haven&#039;t: 
Future Lovers, Saika Kunieda
Red Blinds the Foolish, est em (and her other books)

Many people seem to have really, really liked Dining Bar Akira (Tomoko Yamashita), although I found it a bit unsatisfying. Like several of Netcomics&#039; recent releases, it came from a Japanese publisher that seems to be looking for a crossover audience and has a slightly more guy-friendly outlook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johanna: some other good, non-standard yaoi that&#8217;s woth checking out if you haven&#8217;t:<br />
Future Lovers, Saika Kunieda<br />
Red Blinds the Foolish, est em (and her other books)</p>
<p>Many people seem to have really, really liked Dining Bar Akira (Tomoko Yamashita), although I found it a bit unsatisfying. Like several of Netcomics&#8217; recent releases, it came from a Japanese publisher that seems to be looking for a crossover audience and has a slightly more guy-friendly outlook.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to Ono&#039;s Ristorante Paradiso. Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Shaenon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113628</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT&#039;S OFFENSIVE!  Ha!

Johanna-- Try Natsume Ono, est em, and of course anything else by Fumi Yoshinaga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT&#8217;S OFFENSIVE!  Ha!</p>
<p>Johanna&#8211; Try Natsume Ono, est em, and of course anything else by Fumi Yoshinaga.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaenon</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113629</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT&#039;S OFFENSIVE!  Ha!

Johanna-- Try Natsume Ono, est em, and of course anything else by Fumi Yoshinaga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT&#8217;S OFFENSIVE!  Ha!</p>
<p>Johanna&#8211; Try Natsume Ono, est em, and of course anything else by Fumi Yoshinaga.</p>
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		<title>By: Monday Morning Links &#124; Manga Bookshelf</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113625</link>
		<dc:creator>Monday Morning Links &#124; Manga Bookshelf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Comics 212, Christopher Butcher continues his series, &#8220;Manga Milestones 2000-2009: 10 Manga That Changed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wishes, hopes and dreams &#171; The Manga Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wishes, hopes and dreams &#171; The Manga Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who has a one-shot coming out soon, courtesy of Viz. Christopher Butcher also adds Yoshinaga’s Antique Bakery (DMP) to his roster of Ten Manga That Changed Comics. It’s an excellent choice, and I thought it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who has a one-shot coming out soon, courtesy of Viz. Christopher Butcher also adds Yoshinaga’s Antique Bakery (DMP) to his roster of Ten Manga That Changed Comics. It’s an excellent choice, and I thought it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kat Kan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat Kan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone just like AB as a great manga series with a terrific story and wonderful characters?  That&#039;s how I like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone just like AB as a great manga series with a terrific story and wonderful characters?  That&#8217;s how I like it.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and what do you give next to someone who liked AB but doesn&#039;t like the &quot;plotless hot sex&quot; yaoi? Flower of Life, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and what do you give next to someone who liked AB but doesn&#8217;t like the &#8220;plotless hot sex&#8221; yaoi? Flower of Life, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Johanna</title>
		<link>http://comics212.net/2010/01/11/manga-milestones-2000-2009-10-manga-that-changed-comics-7/comment-page-1/#comment-113615</link>
		<dc:creator>Johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may want to note that All My Darling Daughters is coming from Viz, not DMP. It&#039;s out later this month.</description>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the sentiment that AB isn&#039;t &#039;pur BL&#039; - it was a manga published by a &#039;BL publisher&#039; in the states, banking of the mangakas strong ties to that genre. 

As for gateway - I think that might&#039;ve backfired a bit.  I recall more than a few non-yaoi reading critics reading AB, loving it - then trying other &#039;yaoi&#039; titles only to be thoroughly disappointed, or upset by the usual plot tropes.  They failed to find the same level of story-telling and characterization that existed in AB, because a majority of BL being published around the time of AB was plotless crap.  In Japan it wasn&#039;t written for BL fans, so it had to be written well and couldn&#039;t rely on hot sex and priddy art - this is what distinguished it under the yaoi-umbrella here in the states.  :)

I&#039;ve always considered AB more of a band-aid manga, rather then a gateway.  AB is something you give to a fan that stumbles into yaoi looking for an engaging story, and doesn&#039;t find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the sentiment that AB isn&#8217;t &#8216;pur BL&#8217; &#8211; it was a manga published by a &#8216;BL publisher&#8217; in the states, banking of the mangakas strong ties to that genre. </p>
<p>As for gateway &#8211; I think that might&#8217;ve backfired a bit.  I recall more than a few non-yaoi reading critics reading AB, loving it &#8211; then trying other &#8216;yaoi&#8217; titles only to be thoroughly disappointed, or upset by the usual plot tropes.  They failed to find the same level of story-telling and characterization that existed in AB, because a majority of BL being published around the time of AB was plotless crap.  In Japan it wasn&#8217;t written for BL fans, so it had to be written well and couldn&#8217;t rely on hot sex and priddy art &#8211; this is what distinguished it under the yaoi-umbrella here in the states.  :)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always considered AB more of a band-aid manga, rather then a gateway.  AB is something you give to a fan that stumbles into yaoi looking for an engaging story, and doesn&#8217;t find it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only to those poor, wretched souls who go through their lives looking to be offended by things. To everyone else, there is simply room to disagree.

And incidentally, if this turns into a weeaboo pity-party about labels by people who&#039;ve failed to comprehend the last couple paragraphs of my post, I&#039;ll just start banning comments and commenters. You can have your forums (many of them) to be indignant about the specificities of your hobby, but that isn&#039;t here. Do make sure to link my post though, I&#039;d appreciate the traffic.

- Christopher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only to those poor, wretched souls who go through their lives looking to be offended by things. To everyone else, there is simply room to disagree.</p>
<p>And incidentally, if this turns into a weeaboo pity-party about labels by people who&#8217;ve failed to comprehend the last couple paragraphs of my post, I&#8217;ll just start banning comments and commenters. You can have your forums (many of them) to be indignant about the specificities of your hobby, but that isn&#8217;t here. Do make sure to link my post though, I&#8217;d appreciate the traffic.</p>
<p>- Christopher</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling Antique Bakery BL is like saying that any novel that features gay characters is slash. It&#039;s offensive.</description>
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