{"id":611,"date":"2007-09-23T15:30:01","date_gmt":"2007-09-23T19:30:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/2007\/09\/23\/mature-manga-i-missed-this-as-i-was-in-japan\/"},"modified":"2008-07-08T04:42:17","modified_gmt":"2008-07-08T08:42:17","slug":"mature-manga-i-missed-this-as-i-was-in-japan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/?p=611","title":{"rendered":"Mature Manga: I missed this as I was in Japan"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"image147\" alt=\"Black and White Movie - Tekkon Concrete\" src=\"https:\/\/comics212.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/04\/matsumoto2.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p>From Dirk Deppey at <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/tcj.com\/journalista\/?p=430\">Journalista<\/a>:<\/p>\n<div style=\"margin-left: 40px\"><font color=\"gray\"><strong>[Commentary]<\/strong><\/font> <a href=\"https:\/\/comics212.net\/2007\/09\/01\/hey-is-there-any-good-manga-out-there\/\">Christopher Butcher<\/a> declares that scanlations are wrong and even the mildest of snark is unacceptable in a <em>Comics Journal<\/em> blog. Duly chastised, I also learned something else: <strong>Recommending Fanfare\/Ponent Mon releases earns you fewer critic\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s-choice points than, of all things, Taiyo Matsumoto\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s flashy but shallow <em>Tekkon Kinkreet<\/em>.<\/strong><\/div>\n<p>Dirk pretty-much missed the point, as he is wont to do anytime anyone takes the argument to him. I like his writing and he seems like an affable enough guy, but he certainly does like to pout when when anyone calls him on anything. So for the record: Scanlations are not wrong; scanlations are the wrong suggestion for a journalist looking to recommend mature manga on a newspaper&#8217;s website. As for the critic&#8217;s-choice points? Completely besides the point, again, as it isn&#8217;t about which work is more indy or arty than which, but what&#8217;s going to open up the market for similar work; The one just solicited prior to release, or the one thats a few years old with the print runs set?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t get me wrong. Matsumoto\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s comic isn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t by any means a bad read \u00e2\u20ac\u201d as crime-themed fight comics go, it\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s an enjoyable little bit of fluff \u00e2\u20ac\u201d but if you\u00e2\u20ac\u2122re going to hold a book up as an adult\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s alternative to <em>Naruto<\/em>, shouldn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t it be something other than a mildly more mature version of same? You don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t even need to leave Matsumoto\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s own back catalog to find worthier books for grown-ups; his <em>Blue Spring<\/em> is a dark and absorbing look at teenage restlessness that satisfies in ways <em>Tekkon Kinkreet<\/em> simply can\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t match. Hell, even the out-of-print <em>No. 5<\/em>, while no titan of depth or complexity itself, at least offers a wildly inventive, surreal formalism that fairly leaps off the page, somewhat elevating the two-volume series above standard genre fare. Of the three Taiyo Matsumoto works to be translated for English-reading audiences so far, <em>Tekkon Kinkreet<\/em> is actually the weakest of the lot. I hate to break it to Butcher, but I strongly suspect that <em>Guardian<\/em> readers aren\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t any more likely to consider this book an interesting alternative to prose literature than they will <em>Naruto<\/em> or <em>Hot Gimmick<\/em>.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/community.livejournal.com\/authenticmango\/602.html\">Blue Spring sold terribly, and the two volumes of No.5 are considered by Viz to be their worst-selling books of all time<\/a>. I own and love them both, but when we&#8217;re having a discussion about reaching the broader audience with work that&#8217;s more mature, and opening up the market to more of that material, holding up two books considered as sales failures by their publisher isn&#8217;t the way to go. <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Especially<\/span> because both of those books probably sold better than the majority of Fanfare&#8217;s output. What <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Tekkon <\/span>has going for it is a massive mainstream media push thanks to a DVD release by the creator of <span style=\"font-style: italic\">The Animatrix<\/span>, which sold a lot of fucking DVDs. While I love <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Tekkon <\/span>and think its of high quality and recommend the hell out of it, I also recognize that there are other works that are more literary and of higher aspirations; I&#8217;m not an idiot. But I also think that getting behind books that do have the capacity for mainstream success, making the category more profitable (or <span style=\"font-style: italic\">profitable at all) <\/span>is more important than bemoaning our lot or sending readers out to the grey market.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"image155\" alt=\"pingpongart.jpg\" src=\"https:\/\/comics212.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/04\/pingpongart.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 40px\">Having a Beguiling employee berating me for spotlighting \u00e2\u20ac\u0153low-print run books with poor bookstore distro\u00e2\u20ac\u009d over comics like <em>Tekkon Kinkreet<\/em> is the single most perplexing and dispiriting way to start a week that I can imagine at the moment. By this logic, <em>Thunderbolts<\/em> is a better introduction to the possibilities offered by Western comics than <em>It\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s a Good Life if You Don\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t Weaken<\/em>, the latter of which cannot be found at either of the two chain bookstores closest to me \u00e2\u20ac\u201d and you now know what <em>that<\/em> means.<\/p>\n<p>I hope Dirk is well and truly recovered from being perplexed and dispirited, mostly because it was of his own doing. His example above is the best example of a straw-man argument I can come up with today, a few steps further afield than simple apples and oranges. If someone were doing a fall preview and I decided to push the new <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Thunderbolts <\/span>collection instead of <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Shortcomings<\/span>, that might be one thing, but the situation that went down was more akin to Dirk pushing those great, more-or-less out of print books that Zack Sally published (<span style=\"font-style: italic\">Diary of a Mosquito Abatement Man<\/span> by Porcillino, and his own <span style=\"font-style: italic\">Recidivist<\/span>) and some random shit on scans_daily&#8230; instead of the Ware-edited &#8220;Best American Comics 2007&#8221;. The latter suggestion at least has a chance to sell, and a lot to recommend it, even though there might be better books coming out&#8230; the former two suggestions are entirely irrelevant.<\/p>\n<p>(Besides that point, anyone who thinks that Tekkon Kinkreet is on an even keel with Ellis&#8217; Thunderbolts simply hasn&#8217;t read one of the two books, or either of them. Not even Ellis would make this claim.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-left: 40px\">Finally \u00e2\u20ac\u201d and I realize that it might not occur to a brick-and-mortar retailer to think of it \u00e2\u20ac\u201d the books published by Fanfare\/Ponent Mon are in fact available online through such outlets as Waterstone\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s and Amazon.co.uk. To get you started, here are the listings for <a href=\"http:\/\/www.waterstones.com\/waterstonesweb\/simpleSearch.do?simpleSearchString=kan+takahama&#038;searchType=0&#038;Image1.x=0&#038;Image1.y=0\">Kan Takahama<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.co.uk\/exec\/obidos\/search-handle-url\/026-1539393-2665265?%5Fencoding=UTF8&#038;search-type=ss&#038;index=books-uk&#038;field-author=Jiro%20Taniguchi\">Jiro Taniguchi<\/a>. For that matter, I\u00e2\u20ac\u2122m sure <a href=\"http:\/\/www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk\/\">Forbidden Planet International<\/a> would be glad to sell you a book or two through their website. Welcome to the 21st century.<\/p>\n<p>Hahaha&#8230; Yeah, of course. Welcome to the 21st century, us brick and mortar retailers might not be able to figure out that Fanfare\/Ponent Mon&#8217;s <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.beguiling.com\/productview2a.asp?P_NUM=4065\">books<\/a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.beguiling.com\/productview2a.asp?P_NUM=4063\">are<\/a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.beguiling.com\/productview2a.asp?P_NUM=4065\">available<\/a> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.beguiling.com\/productview2a.asp?P_NUM=4374\">online<\/a>. Whatever, I&#8217;m glad the books are available to people who want them, but those print-runs are already set, and my friend Stephen at Fanfare has made it quite clear that the endeavour is a labour of love for him, likely to continue virtually regardless of sales (though he was quite happy at JAPAN and MARIKO PARADE needing to go back for new printings, recently). When it comes to publishers with deep pockets being willing to license and publish work for grown-ups, sales are king and it makes a lot more sense to push the books that are coming out&#8230; or books that are <span style=\"font-style: italic\">legally available at the very least<\/span>, than to not.<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" id=\"image151\" alt=\"Tekkon Concrete\" src=\"https:\/\/comics212.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/04\/tekkonconcrete.jpg\" \/><br \/>\nAnyway, I&#8217;m glad that, at the very least, I &#8220;perplexed and dispirited&#8221; Dirk enough to actually do the work and send people over to Forbidden Planet to buy some good books&#8230; I suppose sending them to <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.beguiling.com\/bookstore.asp\">The Beguiling&#8217;s Book Store<\/a> would have weakened his argument that The Beguiling (or the online-since-he-was-12 representative of said brick-and-mortar retailer) had no idea about online book sales. Ah well.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll keep making noise about good books that you should be <span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">buying<\/span>, and even picking my battles. Wish me luck.<br \/>\n&#8211; Christopher<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>From Dirk Deppey at Journalista: [Commentary] Christopher Butcher declares that scanlations are wrong and even the mildest of snark is unacceptable in a Comics Journal blog. Duly chastised, I also learned something else: Recommending Fanfare\/Ponent Mon releases earns you fewer critic\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s-choice points than, of all things, Taiyo Matsumoto\u00e2\u20ac\u2122s flashy but shallow Tekkon Kinkreet. Dirk pretty-much &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/comics212.net\/?p=611\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Mature Manga: I missed this as I was in Japan&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8,1,7,23],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-611","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-culture","category-general","category-manga","category-taiyo-matsumoto"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/611","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=611"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/611\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=611"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=611"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/comics212.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=611"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}